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Unread 03-26-2012, 07:50 PM   #16
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Hands down, the '96 wrangler was the best.

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Unread 03-26-2012, 07:53 PM   #17
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you guys are missing the best one...the LJ! all the room you need, but its still more compact then the 4 door jk. They take a good beatin too
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Unread 03-26-2012, 09:24 PM   #18
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I will agree with most, YJ is the cheapest to buy and mod but worst for DDing. TJ is the middle ground and makes a decent DD if not built like crazy, parts are reasonable (more $ than a YJ less than a JK). IMO the TJ is the best looking but that's strictly opinion. The JK is very capable out of the box but a TON of cash to buy and mod, not to mention has the worst track record for reliability (3.8 no thank you, 3.6 has lots of power but reliability is still in the air). However if you take long drives often or prefer comfort over a rough ride than the JK is a great jeep. They are all different in there own way and I believe each will fit a certain person. For me I like some creature comforts but also love a rough and rugged feeling jeep, so for me I chose a TJ Rubi. I do not drive far often and if I have to I have an f150 that works well for comfortable trips.

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YJ is budget friendly, reliable, and easy to work on. However it requires the most mods for the same performance, least comfortable, and honestly are hard to find in good shape because of their age. Nice for those who want a stripped down toy without breaking the bank. IMO not something I would want to DD but I know plenty of people who do. Reliable as anything else as long as they aren't made of rust.

TJ is somewhat budget friendly prices range from 3.5k all the way to low 20ks and fairly easy to work on. Fairly capable and requires some mods and has an OK amount of comforts. I would say most reliable because they are the newest with the 4.0. The bad about the TJ is they are slightly more complicated and expensive than the YJ and people want a million dollars for junk ones. They are anywhere from 15 to 5 years old and people think rusty ones are mint and try to pass them off as so. At least the YJ guys seem honest when the jeep is in rough shape and price it accordingly. You can't touch a clean TJ for under 5k unless you get some really lucky deal or buy it from a friend or family. Still if you can find a nice one, my first choice.

JK is most comfortable, best gas mileage, most capable stock. However it is the most money and least reliable. I personally do not like the thin body and cheap plastic grill. Most money to mod and hardest to work on. Best DD but most expensive. I personally like the JK a lot but could not justify the cost over a TJ. I love the brick ****-house 4.0s and hate all things Chrysler, so atm the JK is not on my radar simply because I don't have the extra cash to fix and mod it. I could buy the jeep but I could only afford to have it stock and that's no fun lol.
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Unread 03-26-2012, 10:04 PM   #19
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Unread 03-26-2012, 10:31 PM   #20
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Hands down, the '96 wrangler was the best.
Ah the 96 Wrangler. That small block V8 was really something.
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Unread 03-26-2012, 10:37 PM   #21
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However it is the most money and least reliable. I personally do not like the thin body and cheap plastic grill. Most money to mod and hardest to work on. Best DD but most expensive. I personally like the JK a lot but could not justify the cost over a TJ. I love the brick ****-house 4.0s and hate all things Chrysler, so atm the JK is not on my radar simply because I don't have the extra cash to fix and mod it. I could buy the jeep but I could only afford to have it stock and that's no fun lol.
There are so many things wrong here.

For one, the JK is cheaper to mod in countless respects. HP Dana 30 and Dana 44 stock, so you don't even need to think about an axle swap until at least 37" tires. And 35"s can be fitted easily with only mild lifts. New fenders are the same price as flares for a TJ or YJ. Bumpers cost the same irrespective of model. Tops are more expensive for Unlimited models, but because there's more of it. Lift kits are largely the same price, suspension components are largely the same price...the only times where JK parts get substantially pricier than comparable TJ parts is when the extra size of the Unlimited comes in to play.


And unreliable? The 3.8L engine doesn't have many years in a Jeep, but was well-known to be a tough old brick in the minivans for decades. A little underpowered, yes, but certainly not unreliable. The transmissions carried right over from the later TJs. They're not really any harder to work on-once in a while, you need to reflash the computer if you change the gear ratio, but the idea that the JK is some massively complex computerized monster is a myth held up by TJ, YJ and CJ owners.

Statistically speaking, the JK is the most reliable-but modern vehicles are more reliable than their older counterparts by a wide margin, simply due to technological advancement.

The body steel is the same gauge and thickness as the TJ. There are some fiberglass parts-notice that they're all only parts that frequently get broken or replaced off-road, irrespective of material? I know I'm not the only one who's bashed up my TJ fenders off-road. It'll cost me hundreds of dollars and several hours to replace my bashed, rusted fenders. JK? Whole set for a few hundred and an hour with a socket set.
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Unread 03-26-2012, 10:55 PM   #22
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I was about to say, unreliable? The 3.8 has an outstanding track record in the van lineups and other cars that used the smaller 3.3 variant, easily a 200k+ motor. The problems came from a bad run of 07 and 08 engines that were incorrectly assembled.
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Unread 03-26-2012, 11:58 PM   #23
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I've got a buddy with a stock '12 Rubi. I'd take that over the Yj.
Not sure I agree this is my buddy's JK on the rubicon







Now since my YJ is not as wide I did not have as many problems as he did

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Unread 03-27-2012, 02:05 AM   #24
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Unread 03-27-2012, 02:19 AM   #25
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Maybe its just the angle of the pic, but it looks like has plenty of space on the left.
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Unread 03-27-2012, 04:26 AM   #26
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The LJ has it. Dana 30 fronts/Dana 44 back. 4.0 which should run for 300k+ miles. Space to carry your stuff. The sad thing here is not which is better, it's the dam JK people that don't wave!!!!!
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Unread 03-27-2012, 05:34 AM   #27
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no doubt the jks are the most civilized and the best daily drivers but to me the real jeeps ended with the tj. If i want civilized ill drive my car or pickup. To me the jks seem to be targeted more toward the guy that would buy a landrover if they could afford it then to a guy like me that would probably rather have an old willys.
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Unread 03-27-2012, 05:46 AM   #28
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Hands down, the '96 wrangler was the best.
Oh yeah!

If it's already been said sorry... The best Jeep is the one you're driving!
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Unread 03-27-2012, 09:02 AM   #29
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There are so many things wrong here.

For one, the JK is cheaper to mod in countless respects. HP Dana 30 and Dana 44 stock, so you don't even need to think about an axle swap until at least 37" tires. And 35"s can be fitted easily with only mild lifts. New fenders are the same price as flares for a TJ or YJ. Bumpers cost the same irrespective of model. Tops are more expensive for Unlimited models, but because there's more of it. Lift kits are largely the same price, suspension components are largely the same price...the only times where JK parts get substantially pricier than comparable TJ parts is when the extra size of the Unlimited comes in to play.


And unreliable? The 3.8L engine doesn't have many years in a Jeep, but was well-known to be a tough old brick in the minivans for decades. A little underpowered, yes, but certainly not unreliable. The transmissions carried right over from the later TJs. They're not really any harder to work on-once in a while, you need to reflash the computer if you change the gear ratio, but the idea that the JK is some massively complex computerized monster is a myth held up by TJ, YJ and CJ owners.

Statistically speaking, the JK is the most reliable-but modern vehicles are more reliable than their older counterparts by a wide margin, simply due to technological advancement.

The body steel is the same gauge and thickness as the TJ. There are some fiberglass parts-notice that they're all only parts that frequently get broken or replaced off-road, irrespective of material? I know I'm not the only one who's bashed up my TJ fenders off-road. It'll cost me hundreds of dollars and several hours to replace my bashed, rusted fenders. JK? Whole set for a few hundred and an hour with a socket set.
I'm not saying they are a ton more money to mod, but most things cost at least as much as the other jeeps, Sometimes more. Again I am not saying they are difficult to work on, just more difficult than the previous years. I love the JK and to me it still is a real jeep if you use it as so. I still stand by my reliability statement though. Sure some will go for a while but there are MANY people here and all over who loose the 3.8s prematurely. I agree axels and the rest of it is better but the heart (engine) is weaker than the 4.0.

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I was about to say, unreliable? The 3.8 has an outstanding track record in the van lineups and other cars that used the smaller 3.3 variant, easily a 200k+ motor. The problems came from a bad run of 07 and 08 engines that were incorrectly assembled.
To me if two out of the 6 years in production they had serious engine issues I will consider it unreliable, same thing with the 05 and 06 TJs with the OPDA issue. They can be a great motor but Chrysler some how made it bad. Again I still think the 4.0 is a better motor than the 3.8, similar power but cheaper, easier to work on, and has a better track record. If you or a buddy went 200k it doesn't mean someone else will. I have never seen a 4.0 fail from mileage always lack of oil or water in it ect ect.
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