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Unread 10-23-2013, 08:06 AM   #76
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How do these always turn into: "my Jeep's the best because I take it off road and no Rubicon has ever left the pavement"? A lot of people off road with all kinds of Jeeps, and stay on road with all kinds too. If people didn't stay on road with these things they would have stopped making them 30 years ago, so get over it!

Biggest thing with the Rubi I think would be it either fits your needs and wants (and means), or it doesn't. And as I mentioned before, it's a lot easier to pay for all the toys with financing over cash!

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Unread 10-23-2013, 08:56 AM   #77
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I will sound like a jerk for saying this, and this has been said over and over again.

Those who buy a Rubicon with no intentions of ever using them for what they are made to do are opening themselves to legitimate criticism. I would say more so than those who buy a 200mph super car. Who here wouldn't make fun of the business guy who regularly rides an expensive dirt bike to work in the city? There is zero benefit or enjoyment to lockers, sway bar disconnect and 4:1 on the street. What then is the point, other than a misguided purchase or the need to display the sticker? It is safe to say that most people who do this don't spend much time on an internet Jeep forum. We are the minority.

BUT, Jeep (like most other niche market vehicles) often don't get used to their fullest until they reach the 2nd or 3rd owner. The first owner who paid full price wants to take care of their expensive toy. That is fair and understandable. Let them pay full price. Then the rest of us get to save some money when the cool cars hit the secondary market.

Needs are one thing. Wants and desires are very different and different "rules" and social graces apply. Sometimes it's a mine field that requires thicker skin.
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Unread 10-24-2013, 03:06 AM   #78
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Lol. God I wish I lived on the west coast.
Ehhhhh it has its perks sometimes.



That's my buddy's 2012 Rubicon. I think he had it maybe a week or two if even that and we took it out wheelin, and I taught him the basics of how to drive off road. Pretty much showed him why lockers are important, and what his new Rubi is capable of. Then I decided to have some fun with his new toy as seen here.

EDIT: He's since moved up north to WA for a while, and he's wheeled it many times here in CA after this day, and up in WA.
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Unread 10-24-2013, 07:19 AM   #79
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Unread 10-24-2013, 08:31 AM   #80
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I bought my TJ new in 2005, and I went with a Sport. I think a Rubicon would have been a good choice for me, as for one I'll never replace axles (I did get a rear D44 on my Sport). But I didn't buy one as others said due to at the time the cost. Back then, I had a family member ask why I didn't get a Rubicon? I asked why should I have, and the response was, "Because it's got that cool sticker on the hood."

The one issue I've heard about Rubicons long term is the cost of fixing it's stock lockers should something go wrong. I can't say if that's really an issue, but as with my Sport, I'm keeping it a long time so I guess I would have found out had I bought a Rubicon. No matter what, a Rubicon is still a good choice for the best off-road stock vehicle one can buy, and I'd probably buy one new if something happened to my TJ. (God forbid!)
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Unread 10-24-2013, 10:48 AM   #81
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Some would instead ask: "Why not buy a Sahara?"

Me? I bought a Sport. Why? Bucks baby. Am I going to build it up like a Rubicon? Nope. Do I scale dry rivers beds for miles with boulders the size of a refrigerator? Nope. never will.

For me the equation is quite simple: Love Jeeps my whole life + Can finally afford one + Love playing on muddy rutty roads around lakes and rivers = I get to play in a vehicle that I dearly love.

If I had a larger overall budget and could have swung it, I would have loved to buy a Rubicon. As it is the new 2012 JKU was a bit of a stretch for me. I talked them down $2,000 and went with a 6 year loan. At that I can own it without it owning me. I'd love to own a Rubicon if for nothing else the pride of it. It's an awesome machine, even if I never used most of its potential.

When somebody is using their own money I tend to not fault them for living out a dream. I ride a Harley and go to rallies sometimes. A while back I picked up a sticker that still sits on my night stand. It says: "This is my dream; go get your own". I was kind of hoping that by and large the Jeep community felt this way.
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Unread 10-24-2013, 12:12 PM   #82
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Some would instead ask: "Why not buy a Sahara?"

Me? I bought a Sport. Why? Bucks baby. Am I going to build it up like a Rubicon? Nope. Do I scale dry rivers beds for miles with boulders the size of a refrigerator? Nope. never will.

For me the equation is quite simple: Love Jeeps my whole life + Can finally afford one + Love playing on muddy rutty roads around lakes and rivers = I get to play in a vehicle that I dearly love.

If I had a larger overall budget and could have swung it, I would have loved to buy a Rubicon. As it is the new 2012 JKU was a bit of a stretch for me. I talked them down $2,000 and went with a 6 year loan. At that I can own it without it owning me. I'd love to own a Rubicon if for nothing else the pride of it. It's an awesome machine, even if I never used most of its potential.

When somebody is using their own money I tend to not fault them for living out a dream. I ride a Harley and go to rallies sometimes. A while back I picked up a sticker that still sits on my night stand. It says: "This is my dream; go get your own". I was kind of hoping that by and large the Jeep community felt this way.
I had actually created a "Why did you buy a Sahara?" thread on another forum.

One thing I've never ever ever had (or even understood) was Rubicon envy.

I could have afforded one, but it was scratched off my list early on. Lockers and MT tires are pretty useless to me for where I live and how I use the vehicle. AT tires and LSD (LSD isn't available on the Rubi) all day for me.

If I have any kind of envy, it is location envy instead of Rubi envy.
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Unread 10-24-2013, 02:34 PM   #83
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I bought a Rubicon. It was awesome.

But I wouldn't do it again.

I put $7,000 down on a $27,000 Jeep. I wish I bought one for $29k and just dumped the $7k right into parts/upgrades. But that's just my situation.

I don't have that jeep anymore , only because I couldn't see putting 3,000 miles a month on expensive tires and all that gas. My "new" XJ does almost everything the Rubi did with 33s and a lunch box locker.

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Unread 10-24-2013, 02:45 PM   #84
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Putting any jeep in a good location is awesome. Location envy is understandable. As JoeCitizen said,"When somebody is using their own money I tend to not fault them for living out a dream. I ride a Harley and go to rallies sometimes. A while back I picked up a sticker that still sits on my night stand. It says: "This is my dream; go get your own". I was kind of hoping that by and large the Jeep community felt this way." He is totally correct. "A jeep is built" is so wrong to say. I am older now. When I was young, I wrenched on everything and finally became a mechanic. Old age and a well-worn body doesn't permit me to wrench but I still own my jeep and don't wish to give it up. It is my dream. I waited many decades to own my Rubi. She's my dream. As I ride over the mountains, I am happy.
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Unread 10-24-2013, 03:03 PM   #85
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(LSD isn't available on the Rubi)
My Rubi came with LSD, but personally, when I'm wheelin, I'll just lock the rear instead of using the LSD. Way better for the diff.
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Unread 10-24-2013, 03:10 PM   #86
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I bought a Rubicon, love it. I've modded it, but not in the axle department, like I was going to have to do to my old YJ with a D30/35 combo. If I ever decide I need stronger axles, bigger gears, I could sell my current set up and move on, but for now the Rubi fits my needs. Driving it to Moab and back has been a blast....I never would have driven my old YJ that far. Had a bought a non-Rubi TJ I'd have had to do as much work to mod it as I would have the YJ.

As for the built not bought scenario, that doesn't really apply to the Rubicon, a Rubicon is bought and then some are built. Built not bought refers to buying one that's already been modified. Jeep builds them, we modify them....otherwise it'd be a buggy.
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LSD isn't available on JK Rubicon's. TJ's had them.
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Unread 10-25-2013, 05:13 AM   #88
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LSD isn't available on JK Rubicon's. TJ's had them.
it isn't needed because the JK has computer controlled brake locking differential feature front/rear
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Unread 10-25-2013, 05:50 AM   #89
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it isn't needed because the JK has computer controlled brake locking differential feature front/rear
Traction control is no where as quick or smooth as a limited slip differential.
BLD is simply more aggressive traction control software for off-roading.



TJ's had the best of both worlds with a LSD/locker combo. In the JK's, you have to choose.
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Unread 10-25-2013, 06:05 AM   #90
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it isn't needed because the JK has computer controlled brake locking differential feature front/rear
It does work impressively well if you've ever watched a JK off road vs another open diff vehicle.

And on the built/bought argument: buying parts that someone else designed/cut/bent /welded and then you bolt them on does not equal built. Everyone has their desire for their jeep and even though I judge every one of them I see I still accept that it's their way. Some do make me a little sad though lol.
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