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Unread 10-13-2011, 08:46 AM   #1
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who loves their wrangler unlimited?

Okay so I have come to the conclusion that I am madly in Love with wranglers, especially the four doors. I want a white one probably somewhere from a 07-11. I'd like to hear some testimonials from current wrangler owners. Any reasons why I should or shouldn't go on with this beautiful decision. I currently own a 99 Cherokee sport but I just cant get over the thought of driving to to the beach and country roads with the top and the doors off. They are so amazing. Every time I see one I am so envious. I really just want to go get one. right now. haha. So any problems with them? Ive been reading up on them and I've come across some pretty intense stories making me want to half way change my mind. But even hearing those stories I still want one. Something About the death wobble and some motor problems, hinge problems etc. I look at it this way, no matter what car I get Its gonna have problems at some point. And I don't feel right driving anything but a jeep

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Unread 10-13-2011, 08:52 AM   #2
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Get One with the new engines there's alot more power. If you leave it stock it shouldn't get the death wobble but it is possible I suppose.
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Unread 10-13-2011, 09:04 AM   #3
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What year did the new engines start in?
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Unread 10-13-2011, 09:07 AM   #4
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2012, they replaced the old 3.8L V6 with Chrysler's new 3.6L V6. Slightly better torque, but way more horsepower.
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Get One with the new engines there's alot more power. Death wobble only occurs when lift kits a not properly installed.
Whether the first suggestion is good or bad advice is debatable, but the second statement (about DW) is ridiculously false.
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Whether the first suggestion is good or bad advice is debatable, but the second statement (about DW) is ridiculously false.
Yah I was in a rush and changed it to what I meant. and I don't think the first suggestion is debatable honestly who would want a wrangler with less horse power and a ridiculously slow 0-60.
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Here's a chart comparing the two motors on a dyno:



The Pentastar is better in every way, but it's not a quantum leap.
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Unread 10-13-2011, 10:19 AM   #8
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Here's a chart comparing the two motors on a dyno:

The Pentastar is better in every way, but it's not a quantum leap.
Ya I'm sorry again I should add that's it's only my opinion i guess. But if this is going to be a dd your going to want the newer engine unless you like 11 seconds 0-60 (that's according to my 0-60 i did with a friends jk actual test may vary and are probably a little faster). if it's a trail rig then it wouldn't matter what engine you have either will get you where your going but again it's just my opinion I don't mean to offend anyone. also you could always get a older jk and swap in a hemi
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I don't think the first suggestion is debatable honestly who would want a wrangler with less horse power and a ridiculously slow 0-60.
First of all, it's a Jeep; 0-60 time is irrelevant. If you want speed, get something else. My 4.0 has never not had enough power and/or torque to get me over (or through) whatever I wanted.

Second, yes, the Pentastar does have more power than the 4.0, but the suggestion to actually get one is of dubious merit. The following was posted (by myself) in another thread some while back.

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...This is only what was told to me in private conversations and I have zero first hand knowledge, but I think it worth sharing. From two Chrysler techs and a Mopar/Chrysler engineer I have heard that "there is a problem" with the Pentastar. Many of the those that went into the public market are now coming back having lost the #2 cylinder. There is little regularity to the failure; some suck a valve, some throw a rod, and in others the cylinder burns a sleeve, but it's always #2, and nobody can say why. They are working very hard to figure it out and, I would imagine, have pulled most available engineering resources to resolve the issue(s). As many (millions?) of new vehicles are set to be recipients of this "innovative" new power-plant, this could be a devastating blow to the auto group, and, as you can imagine, they have been doing everything imaginable to keep this information under wraps. Again, this is only what was told to me in private conversations and I have zero first hand knowledge. To protect my sources I will not, under any circumstance, reveal who they are, nor any other potentially identifying information, so don't ask. Take this for what it is; heresy from an anonymous internet troll, perhaps, but I have nothing to gain by posting this, so consider yourselves warned.

So, is statement one good advice? Well, I can't make that decision for anyone but myself.

And truly not to bash, but the second statement still displays a mis-understanding of death wobble. It is quite often caused by stock components and can (and does) certainly occur on un-lifted rigs.
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First of all, it's a Jeep; 0-60 time is irrelevant. If you want speed, get something else. My 4.0 has never not had enough power and/or torque to get me over (or through) whatever I wanted.

Second, yes, the Pentastar does have more power than the 4.0, but the suggestion to actually get one is of dubious merit. The following was posted (by myself) in another thread some while back.

So, is statement one good advice? I can't make that decision for anyone but myself.

And truly not to bash, but the second statement still displays a serious mis-understanding of death wobble. It is quite often caused by stock components and can (and does) certainly occur on un-lifted rigs.
That statement is completely ridiculous who says jeeps have to go slow? Why should I have to get something else if I want to go faster 11 seconds 0-60. and iv never heard of jks having a death wobble problem unmodded the way he states that jks have a death wobble problem makes me think he thinks stock jks have this problem... They don't although some may have had the death wobble stock this a isolated issue.
I'm not trying to start a argument but it makes me mad when people say get something else if you want to go fast no one said I wanted to go fast I just don't want to be as slow as jeeps from the 70s.......
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Unread 10-13-2011, 12:03 PM   #11
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Unread 10-14-2011, 11:52 PM   #12
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That statement is completely ridiculous who says jeeps have to go slow? Why should I have to get something else if I want to go faster 11 seconds 0-60. and iv never heard of jks having a death wobble problem unmodded the way he states that jks have a death wobble problem makes me think he thinks stock jks have this problem... They don't although some may have had the death wobble stock this a isolated issue.
I'm not trying to start a argument but it makes me mad when people say get something else if you want to go fast no one said I wanted to go fast I just don't want to be as slow as jeeps from the 70s.......

I cant stand that line -it's a jeep, it should not be able to go fast. I have a 2007 4door auto and love it except for one thing- the powertrain. I have a CAI, exhaust, chip etc because I want to drive it daily, not just on the weekend on the trails. Noone is arguing that the jeep is not an awesome offroad vehicle.
I bet there is a handful of 07-11 JK owners who were satisfied with the 3.8 and actually drove it daily. The 12 actually makes the JK a vehicle that is almost perfect for someone like me. Top down, doorless on the weekends and on the freeway on the week. No compromises or excuses.
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Unread 10-15-2011, 06:57 AM   #13
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That statement is completely ridiculous...
Sorry, fellas. You guys call a JK a "Wrangler" and I'd simply forgotten what a turd the 3.8 is. Your right; a real jeep should have more than that.
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Unread 10-15-2011, 07:34 AM   #14
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If you leave it stock it shouldn't get the death wobble but it is possible I suppose.
DW doesn't know the difference between stock and modified. Don't spread BS if you don't know what you're talking about.
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Unread 10-15-2011, 08:36 AM   #15
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I just got a 2012 Sahara Unlimited a couple of weeks ago. I love it. I have only driven the '12s so i can't compare it to previous years. You just have to realize that it is not a sports car or a sedan, it is a Jeep. Freedom Top is awesome, as is the rest of the Jeep. If you are a Jeep fan, the four door Unlimited is terrific!
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