[southbound]

Originally Posted by NorthwestYJ

Very few jeeps had machine guns mounted on them unless they were used primarily by the SAS

No, you're wrong.

Machine gun mounts were a common addition to many MB's in both combat theaters during WWII. It's an easily and very practical addition that many line units found essential.

And the Special Air Service is the British equivalent to our Special Forces in America (the SAS is actually the primary unit that the U.S. Army used as a model for it's own SF groups following WWII). Once again they were British, so they primarily used heavily modified Land Rovers in their areas of operation. They did buy/borrow some Jeeps from the US for use in northern Africa (and I'm sure they used MB's in Europe when needed) but for the most part they used Rovers. The Rovers were bigger and allowed for more storage during long range patrols.

[mdm]

Look at the NASCAR cars. Those things are called "Chevy", "Ford", "Dodge", "Toyota",... How many stock Chevy, Ford, Dodge, and Toyota parts are on those things?

A Jeep is a Jeep from the date of manufacture to the date of scraping. It doesn't matter what happens in between.

[rjt36]

Originally Posted by southbound

No, you're wrong.

Machine gun mounts were a common addition to many MB's in both combat theaters during WWII. It's an easily and very practical addition that many line units found essential.

And the Special Air Service is the British equivalent to our Special Forces in America (the SAS is actually the primary unit that the U.S. Army used as a model for it's own SF groups following WWII). Once again they were British, so they primarily used heavily modified Land Rovers in their areas of operation. They did buy/borrow some Jeeps from the US for use in northern Africa (and I'm sure they used MB's in Europe when needed) but for the most part they used Rovers. The Rovers were bigger and allowed for more storage during long range patrols.

Land Rovers didn't come about until 1948, and was designed based on the Jeep using a Jeep chassis.

[southbound]

Originally Posted by rjt36

Land Rovers didn't come about until 1948, and was designed based on the Jeep using a Jeep chassis.

Don't believe everything you read on wikipedia. But yes, the first models were built on Jeep frames.

[Marauder_Pilot]

Originally Posted by southbound

Don't believe everything you read on wikipedia. But yes, the first models were built on Jeep frames.

As opposed to the same thing on Land Rover's website?

[rjt36]

Originally Posted by southbound

Don't believe everything you read on wikipedia.

Okay. That still doesn't have anything to do with the fact that there was no such thing as a Land Rover during World War II. MBs were sent to and used by every allied nation through the Lend-Lease Act.

[southbound]

Originally Posted by Marauder_Pilot

As opposed to the same thing on Land Rover's website?

I wasn't talking about the date.

The SAS used Land Rovers following WWII (Pink Panthers), but during the campaign in Africa against Rommel and his Afrika Corps the Long Range Desert Patrols used Ford and Chevy trucks that they purchased in Cairo, Egypt. I remember reading somewhere that they didn't like 4wd because it was prone to mechanical failure. They liked the trucks because of the long wheel base and 2wd which is much better in the desert sands. Not to mention they were very reliable.

[McKBrew]

When does a Jeep stop being a Jeep?

How about when it gets it's axx kicked on the trail by one of those "POS" JK's completely stock, or maybe not to be too extreme the JK goes everywhere that the rest of them go? How about that?


I apologize, that is a pretty jacked up comment. Me personally, I have nothing against any of the older Jeeps. Just wish the respect worked both ways, especially when you have never even seen a JK in action.

[rjt36]

If that's where you were going, I misunderstood what you were saying. The way I read it made it seem like you were talking about how they used Jeeps sometimes, but primarily used Land Rovers during WWII. I have no idea about the trucks. What I do know is that the Rat Patrol used Jeeps extensively, and the Germans hated them; just watch the tv show.

[Hussler]

i would go by government regulations, got the jeep vin, its a jeep

[southbound]

Originally Posted by rjt36

If that's where you were going, I misunderstood what you were saying. The way I read it made it seem like you were talking about how they used Jeeps sometimes, but primarily used Land Rovers during WWII. I have no idea about the trucks. What I do know is that the Rat Patrol used Jeeps extensively, and the Germans hated them; just watch the tv show.

Yea, sorry about that- I had a major brain fart. I kept thinking of the modified desert trucks in WWII and saying rover; I just realized it. I kept wondering why you guys were referring to rovers being created in '48 Though I do know that the SAS use modified rovers now and I believe the US Rangers even have their own model rover that's armed to the teeth.

My Grandpa was sent to Germany right as the war ended. He stayed and was stationed there to help with keeping order during the rebuilding process. It was years ago, but I remember him saying that they found and reclaimed a couple MB's that had been captured by a German officer and were hid in an old barn. He said they had been covered up with sheets and hay. I guess the officer wanted some toys to play with after the war was over

[southbound]

And we totally hijacked this thread

[jerryjeeper]

If it started as a Jeep, has a frame and a solid front axle---it will always be a JEEP.

[vindicated]

Originally Posted by TimeConsumer

When its called a "car" and is no longer loved IMO.

I called mine a car and regret it. Now my beloved jeeper feels disrepected and makes wierd noises while shifting. Boo to me for bad manners.

[Hussler]

Originally Posted by jerryjeeper

If it started as a Jeep, has a frame and a solid front axle---it will always be a JEEP.

EDIT: your profile says you bought some vehicle with a 6.5 lift kit and locker but no frame. what brand of vehicle would that be?