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Unread 12-02-2011, 06:09 PM   #166
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Have fun towing without the i6.
LOL. Towing capacities are terrible for both the TJ and the JK Jeeps but it has more to do with how light they are than anything else. TJs can get away with maybe 2000lbs safely while the JKs can do upwards of 3500 with an Unlimited. I don't tow with my Jeep. That is what my F250 is for.

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Unread 12-02-2011, 07:44 PM   #167
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LOL. Towing capacities are terrible for both the TJ and the JK Jeeps but it has more to do with how light they are than anything else. TJs can get away with maybe 2000lbs safely while the JKs can do upwards of 3500 with an Unlimited. I don't tow with my Jeep. That is what my F250 is for.
Never mind the wheel base.... An old Ford with a 300 in line six has more tow capacity that any Jeep built due to the wheel base.
It's all about highway towing. A 40hp tractor can out tow a one ton pickup at 2mph but not at highway speed.

There are several factors that come into play for highway towing.
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Unread 12-02-2011, 09:55 PM   #168
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I wish the Rubicon edition didn't cost almost the same amount as the median household income though lol
Reason i waited seven years and bought a used 2004 Rubicon with 35k on it for $16,000 this past January
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Unread 12-03-2011, 12:30 AM   #169
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just sayin you'll void that warranty with your first mod
I know a lot of dealers that will still warranty even with modified vehicles.

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Unread 12-04-2011, 02:17 AM   #170
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Reason i waited seven years and bought a used 2004 Rubicon with 35k on it for $16,000 this past January
I feel like if I were to wait for seven years for something I would forget about it or not want it anymore... plus almost a decade goes by of life haha time sucks cack
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Unread 12-04-2011, 02:26 PM   #171
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cool info, thx
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Unread 12-05-2011, 10:38 AM   #172
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I feel like if I were to wait for seven years for something I would forget about it or not want it anymore... plus almost a decade goes by of life haha time sucks cack
Some are not as fortunate as some. I come from a $20k a year family, I was damn lucky at age 21, 22, to be driving the 1976 Rusted out ˝ ton Chevrolet I had. I wanted a TJ since 1998 when they were new. Then I discovered the almighty Rubicon, but nearly $25,000 - $30,000 when they where new, age 21 and busing tables for $5.15 working 16 hours a week, wasn't no way, and I knew my dad wasn't able to help me. Im damn proud to be the owner of a TJ, and I can say, ill be buried in this Jeep, im very very proud of it.
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Unread 12-05-2011, 10:45 AM   #173
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I will say, and everyone here knows it, and people with the know how can correct it, I didn't have the know how but i have driven an automatic TJ, 2004 model, and I hated the transmission that was in that jeep, late to shift going up hill, and shifts way to quick when accelerating.
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Unread 12-05-2011, 12:11 PM   #174
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just sayin you'll void that warranty with your first mod
I've never heard of anyone being turned down for warranty work because of mods. I believe that you are mistaken, mcannon.


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LOL. Towing capacities are terrible for both the TJ and the JK Jeeps but it has more to do with how light they are than anything else. TJs can get away with maybe 2000lbs safely while the JKs can do upwards of 3500 with an Unlimited. I don't tow with my Jeep. That is what my F250 is for.
The official towing capacity on my Unlimited TJ is 3500#s, too. My guess is that the TC for the 2-door JK is same as swb TJ.
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Unread 12-05-2011, 12:32 PM   #175
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The plastic? Really? It's a freakin jeep. I LOVE being able to snap apart my craptastic interior and drill holes, add switches. Whoops? Made a mistake? Replace it for $5.00. Yea, I'll take my craptastic plastic over any fancy interior.

Get over yourselves, a Jeep is a Jeep. My dad has a '00 TJ and while it's impressive and I love it, I would take my JK over it any day. Comfort, better road manners, etc. 4drs have their advantages on and off road.
Just scrolling through the thread i found this gem.

I can't believe you think you're interior is not all fancy. A CJ has a simple interior. Sitting in a JK is like sitting in any run of the mill modern SUV.

And comfort? Gay.
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Unread 12-05-2011, 12:38 PM   #176
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Just scrolling through the thread i found this gem.

I can't believe you think you're interior is not all fancy. A CJ has a simple interior. Sitting in a JK is like sitting in any run of the mill modern SUV.

And comfort? Gay.
thank you!!! I said this many times
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Unread 12-05-2011, 02:33 PM   #177
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Just scrolling through the thread i found this gem.

I can't believe you think you're interior is not all fancy. A CJ has a simple interior. Sitting in a JK is like sitting in any run of the mill modern SUV.

And comfort? Gay.
No, you're wrong. Drive your Jeep like I drive mine. 25k miles in 4 months. So yes, comfort is a BIG deal. And BS. JK's look nothing like a modern SUV. Oh yea, the 2011+ maybe but not my 2010. Even the 2011 looks great.

Are you one of those guys that can't handle new things? Still using a 300MHz Intel P2? Haven't figured out that cell phones exist? Come on dude, get with reality. There's nothing wrong with JK's. I love all Jeeps, but as much as I drive there's no way I could get a older Jeep and get thrown around. This is my DD, and I need something usable in real life. I've had Jeep's for 10 years now, and the JK is my favorite. Why? The small amount of comfort, the simpleness of popping apart the plastic pieces, easily replacing it.

Plus who cares? JK's look great lifted and stock, and they are amazing off road. TJ's have big ugly steering wheels that were stolen from a Grand Cherokee.

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I don't know about TJs but YJs came in 2WD.

Anyways, the TJ might be inadequate compared the your JK but you've already modified the JK. Have you also taken into consideration the cost of the JK compared the the TJ?
But you need to look at: warranty, the fact that it's a new vehicle, better gas/engine (sometimes lol). And TJ's weren't always cheap, hell a 2006 could cost up to 16~17k! In the end, another 5 years when the "refresh" is out you will probably be able to pick up a JK for pretty cheap so the point would be invalidated
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Unread 12-05-2011, 03:36 PM   #178
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I have nothing against JKs, per se, but the above post (and below quote) is just too much fun to let slide.

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JK's look nothing like a modern SUV. Oh yea, the 2011+ maybe but not my 2010. Even the 2011 looks great.
I don't see much distinction between the model years.

2009:


2010:


2011:


2012:


I do see some similarities here, too.

Hummer H3:


Mercedes G-Class:


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TJ's have big ugly steering wheels that were stolen from a Grand Cherokee.
Yeah, JK interior is SOOO much more rugged and pretty at the same time.

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Hmmm. Where have I seen that steering wheel before? Maybe in a BMW:


or an Audi:


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And TJ's weren't always cheap, hell a 2006 could cost up to 16~17k! In the end, another 5 years when the "refresh" is out you will probably be able to pick up a JK for pretty cheap so the point would be invalidated
The Unlimited X starts at almost $26K msrp. The 2006 Unlimited Rubicon had an average invoice of $26,358.

While the degree and severity of the FAIL! in the quoted post is perhaps unparalleled, I do agree that in short order the a used JK will be able to be had for "cheap".



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Unread 12-05-2011, 06:32 PM   #179
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This thread just keeps getting juicier by the minute
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Unread 12-05-2011, 06:52 PM   #180
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The original JEEP was made rugged not pansy arsed, so therefore older is way better,
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