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Unread 01-28-2014, 11:44 PM   #1
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Are suspension lifts THAT bad?

So I've been doing research after gettin my 2013 jk that already has a small leveling kit and 33s about putting a real lift kit on. Already know what I want and this has caused my bud to get the bug for a jeep. He was tellin me that you don't need a lift and that when he owned a military CUCV an went off road he never got in a situation that he needed a lift. Only thing he said was needed was good near stock tires, bumpers, and recovery gear. Said lifts throw everything out of spec and weakens everything causing things to break/wear early and that regearing weakens the diffs.

My reply was that as long as you didn't go stupid and did everything right (track bars, control arms, etc etc) and bought from a trusted company that there shouldn't be issues. So what say yee?

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Unread 01-29-2014, 01:08 AM   #2
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Everything he's told you is wrong on some level.

Yes, lifting over a certain point does stress factory components, if they're not addressed as well. But if you account for everything affected, it evens out.

And how would regearing weaken the diff? It's literally putting in different gears.
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Sounds like he has his head up his ***...
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Unread 01-29-2014, 06:54 AM   #4
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Yea lol. Then after telling me lifts were stupid he wants to drop in a 5.3 Chevy motor
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Unread 01-29-2014, 09:18 AM   #5
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Knowledge is everything. Unless you're well-educated on suspension (not that difficult to achieve) then you shouldn't be saying things. Your friend doesn't know what he's talking about but he has a point--there are right ways to do things and wrong ways.

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Unread 01-29-2014, 10:09 AM   #6
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Maybe he means large tires are bad on stock components....?

Or maybe he means deeper gears like 5:38's are weaker because of the tiny pinion.

Or maybe he's b lowing smoke up your arse.
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Unread 01-29-2014, 11:49 AM   #7
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Unread 01-29-2014, 06:56 PM   #8
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Lol. He mean lifts period were bad. He thinks he knows everything about cars bc he grew up with a gear head as a father and they always worked on cars. I told him I'd like to go 4.10s with lockers and he made the statement of going higher (numerically) they are weaker
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Everything he's told you is wrong on some level.

Yes, lifting over a certain point does stress factory components, if they're not addressed as well. But if you account for everything affected, it evens out.

And how would regearing weaken the diff? It's literally putting in different gears.
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A cheap lift slapped on just to fit the tires? sure it might cause some problems
Huge tires on lighter axles? yet again.....

Your friend is going on hearsay from people who don't know how to do things correctly. For example: how often did you hear about control arms, caster, and toe when you were in high school and guys were lifting their trucks? I sure didn't


Regearing only weakens a differential if you do it wrong. I wonder why the Rubicon comes with 4.10 gears if they are weaker? :P
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Unread 01-29-2014, 08:50 PM   #10
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He was tellin me that you don't need a lift and that when he owned a military CUCV an went off road he never got in a situation that he needed a lift. Only thing he said was needed was good near stock tires, bumpers, and recovery gear.
Fire road wheeler? He never went where I take mine.
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Unread 01-29-2014, 10:00 PM   #11
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I knew he was full of it. Just wanted thoughts. Even though I'm doing a 2.5" coil lift I'm getting all 8 arms, both trackbars, new correct sized bolts, and the exhaust spacers. Buy once cry once
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Unread 02-02-2014, 09:25 PM   #13
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If done correctly, a lift is just as strong, if not stronger than factory. However, a lift is not the most important part as far as off road capability.

Recovery gear and armor come first, as far as I'm concerned.

Any lift will, obviously, raise you center of gravity, making the likelihood for a pucker moment to happen easier.
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Unread 04-17-2014, 11:39 PM   #14
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He was tellin me that you don't need a lift and that when he owned a military CUCV an went off road he never got in a situation that he needed a lift.
Kentucky has some nasty red clay mud doesn't it... when he is up to his frame rails in mud (same goes for sand and deep packed down snow) with no momentum AND wheelspin from his 5.3 transplant he will wish he spent less money and lifted the thing and/or invested in tires with more flotation (wider) because all the HP in the world won't help unless it's soft mud/sand/snow where he can throw lockers on when it is too late and dig straight down into more trouble. Hey... this applies to river silt too. Oh what about water crossings, or climbing over logs and rocks... clearance is king and this is from someone who doesn't want to lift... there's a lot of advantages to having it.
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Unread 04-18-2014, 11:21 AM   #15
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Sounds like his "expertise" is in on road vehicles. A correctly geared correctly lifted Jeep with a 4 cyl will do more than a 5.3 with nothing else done right anyday. Most wheelers can get a lot of **** done with a 4.0/3.8/3.6 L motor with correct suspension
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