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Unread 10-16-2011, 05:34 PM   #1
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Squealing Tires

I recently was given citations for "reckless driving" and "Squealing tires", where the vehicle in question is a Wrangler TJ v6 3.07 with 31"tires. I am so pissed-off about this charge. The officer said I squealed tires and fish-tailed in a reckless manor. I posted in another thread about my rear-end sliding out (fish-tailing) going around a turn on a wet road but that is completely different from what this guy is claiming. Roads were dry, etc. and he is talking about out-of-control acceleration type fish-tailing.

First of all, how do you get a jeep wrangler to squeal tires (this is also called peeling tires)? And then to do it to such an extreme that the vehicle starts fish-tailing? There weren't even any markings on the ground. He made this crap completely up. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to prove that this could not have happened? thanks.

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Unread 10-16-2011, 06:29 PM   #2
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I dunno, even with too much tire for my gears, I can sqeal and fishtail without even trying.
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Unread 10-16-2011, 06:31 PM   #3
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Your V6 TJ is making way too much power.
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Unread 10-16-2011, 06:37 PM   #4
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your v6 tj is making way too much power.
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Unread 10-16-2011, 06:40 PM   #5
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Go to court. Explain it to the judge. You might find them to be rather reasonable.

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Unread 10-16-2011, 07:19 PM   #6
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Go to court. Explain it to the judge. You might find them to be rather reasonable.

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Yeah, I have been putting-together some stuff. There are other charges... basically one quasi-legitimate charge (that still didn't happen) and 4 completely fabricated ones. So I am thinking of every angle I can refute them with. I'm thinking a jury trial, they are all criminal charges.

I think the squealing he is referring to is just from the short wheel-base and tight turning radius of the jeep. This "squealing" happens even at 5 mph in parking lots - many people report this. I had to make a super-tight 90 degree turn. Fish-tailing, just no way, this happens in rear-wheel sports-cars due to "power over-steer". And it leave tire-marks. I took photos, absolutely zero tire-marks.

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I dunno, even with too much tire for my gears, I can sqeal and fishtail without even trying.
You have 3.73 gearing and I seriously doubt you are peeling and fish-tailing without popping-clutch on a stock. It might be possible for about 1 second if you hit the accelerator just right with that setup. You aren't going to pull-off any sports-car peel-out though that these laws address.
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Unread 10-16-2011, 07:26 PM   #7
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I *tried* doing a rear wheel burnout in my driveway with my TJ, 3.73 gears, and 33x10.50 tires... I could get them to spin, but it was near impossible. You fish tailing and squealing the tires on dry pavement is going to be quite a feat.
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Unread 10-16-2011, 08:22 PM   #8
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Your screwed, it's your word against the officers word. Good luck and if you do beat it...congratulations but don't get used to it.
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Your screwed, it's your word against the officers word. Good luck and if you do beat it...congratulations but don't get used to it.
Normally, Id say so, but in a vehicle thats near impossible to do this, he may stand a chance.

If he had a sportscar, THEN hed be screwed.
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Unread 10-16-2011, 08:40 PM   #10
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I regularly get calls from the parking garage attendant* to stop speeding up through the parking structure at work. It can be heard six floors down at the gate booth. Yeah, I can't make the tires stop squealing around turns while doing the 10mph speed limit.

I can not get the Jeep to fish tail unless there is ice on the road. I can squeal 9.5" wide tires, but not my 12.5" wide tires.

*The parking garage attendants are meter readers so are they sworn police officers thus can write tickets for speeding in there. I will force her to take a ride with me up to the top to show how ridiculous the squealing is just from turning if she ever decides to actually write a ticket.
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Unread 10-16-2011, 09:11 PM   #11
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Your screwed, it's your word against the officers word. Good luck and if you do beat it...congratulations but don't get used to it.
Seriously, don't need the negativity. I'm probably going to go jury trial. They are more likely to hear it out than to make judgments in support of police.
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Unread 10-16-2011, 09:19 PM   #12
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When i had my 94 with the 4.0 and 5 speed. Factory gears so not sure what they were i was 16 at the time. When i had 33's on it i could do burn out on SOME roads but some i couldnt but takin off around a corner i could pop the clutch and it would never fish tail but i laid the jeep over on its side I would tell the judge to get in and try to make it do it. Thts what i did when i got a bs ticket for goin 120 up hill. And he said son i jave a jeep i dont need to drive urs i know it wont do it and droped the ticket. And just to clarify it i have grown up alot since then and dont drive on the street like that any more
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Should have driven over the officers car. Claimed that the accelerator stuck while it was in reverse
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Unread 10-16-2011, 09:30 PM   #14
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Don't discredit the officer in court, that just makes them angry, describe your situation, without mentioning the officer.

Be nice.

Explain that it was wet out, you drive a short wheelbase vehicle, with DOT legal tires, that you've found do not grip well in the wet on tight turns in greasy areas. Explain you did not leave any treadmarks etc.

Hopefully you were nice to the cop and you have a good record, otherwise I'd suggest legal counsel.
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Unread 10-16-2011, 09:36 PM   #15
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Road was dry if i read it right. The wet road was another time.
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