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Unread 06-28-2013, 09:37 AM   #16
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Unread 06-28-2013, 10:09 AM   #17
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Insane that Toyota is more American than most other American based companies. Over 60% of Toyota is manufactured in the US.
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Unread 06-28-2013, 02:32 PM   #18
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I wish Ford would buy Jeep.

It's the only "domestic" company that didn't accept a bail-out.
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Unread 06-29-2013, 12:00 AM   #19
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I wish Ford would buy Jeep.

It's the only "domestic" company that didn't accept a bail-out.
Have you owned a Ford before? Had to find parts for one? It's horrible to put it nicely
You have to know when your car is manufactured, most of the time down to the day.
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Unread 06-29-2013, 10:27 AM   #20
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We buy their cheap crap, with money we borrow from them, and then they buy our factories (at least the ones that are still open). What a sad state of affairs.
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Unread 06-29-2013, 11:37 AM   #21
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For those who say, "let jeep die". for all practicle purposes, jeep did die after 2006. There's nothing that was jeep is left. Not trying to upset the jk owners, but the jk is a total Chrysler design. The original jeep was to be a tough little no nonsense off road vehicle at an affordable price. The jk is so far removed from that. The tj was the last jeep that came close to what jeep had always stood for. It was small, with a sparse interior, low torque engine, a rugged no frills off road vehicle. Sure the jeep name carries on, but to what cost to it's roots. Ford purchased willys overland of brazil back in the day and they produce jeeps. The last new one I saw was about 2 years ago and it still looked like a yj. I wish Chrysler would of stuck more to the jeep roots as ford did in Brazil. As far as GM, I always felt that they sucked, that's why I wouldn't put a GM motor in a jeep. The engines I use has to be AMC, or ford in my jeeps, but that's just me.
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Unread 06-30-2013, 07:28 AM   #22
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For those who say, "let jeep die". for all practicle purposes, jeep did die after 2006. There's nothing that was jeep is left. Not trying to upset the jk owners, but the jk is a total Chrysler design. The original jeep was to be a tough little no nonsense off road vehicle at an affordable price. The jk is so far removed from that. The tj was the last jeep that came close to what jeep had always stood for. It was small, with a sparse interior, low torque engine, a rugged no frills off road vehicle. Sure the jeep name carries on, but to what cost to it's roots. Ford purchased willys overland of brazil back in the day and they produce jeeps. The last new one I saw was about 2 years ago and it still looked like a yj. I wish Chrysler would of stuck more to the jeep roots as ford did in Brazil. As far as GM, I always felt that they sucked, that's why I wouldn't put a GM motor in a jeep. The engines I use has to be AMC, or ford in my jeeps, but that's just me.
Which roots are you talking about?

The thing is, the YJ was just as much of a bastardization of the "roots" as the current JK. Hell, from the CJ-5 up to now they are all bastardizations of the "roots" for the simple reason that each one improved on the one before it.

If they had held strictly to the roots it is doubtful that there would have been any civilian Wrangler type vehicle past the original CJ-2 prototype.
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Unread 06-30-2013, 02:00 PM   #23
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Chrysler is not in the museum business. While I don't agree with all the design goals of the JK, they have produced a solid sales success that is still competent offroad. Compare that wilth Willys Overland who was still producing a WWII era machine into the 60s with struggling sales.

Ford tried that approach with the Model T, but eventually it was not sustainable. By contrast the Porsche 911 has been made for 50 years updating the technology while keeping much of the spirit alive.
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