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post #16 of 74 Old 03-12-2012, 07:15 PM
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I'm going to start with a somewhat neutral opinion here on the basis I may not know everything.

You leased a jeep with a hard top. Yes you would need to return the hard top.

If they also threw in a soft top, it's probably on the lease and you would need to return it too. Now if the soft top was indeed an extra free perk (gift of sorts as you describe) that is the one thing you might be able to keep if it wasn't written up on the lease. Now would I try to keep it, no.

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post #17 of 74 Old 03-12-2012, 07:32 PM
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return it with both tops and all 5 tires, including the spare, the jack, etc.

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post #18 of 74 Old 03-12-2012, 07:43 PM
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return it with both tops and all 5 tires, including the spare, the jack, etc.


To the OP, you caught me after a glass of whiskey (or two) so you get the unfiltered version:

Way to come off like a ******.

Back to the topic, I can pretty much guarantee the dealership didn't "give" you anything for free. Dealerships (or anything for that matter) aren't in the business of giving away things for free. They wouldn't be in business long. Don't be naive, IE: Stupid.

Return everything you were "given." Regardless of whether the salesman did the paperwork correctly you morally are obligated to turn in everything they gave you when you signed the lease. Don't try and find some loophole to squeeze through to keep a top (regardless of whether its the soft or hard top) to sell and try and make up some of the cash you threw away on a lease vehicle.

The fact you even asked this question makes me want to punch myself in the face.

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post #19 of 74 Old 03-12-2012, 08:14 PM
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The fact you even asked this question makes me want to punch myself in the face.
I agree. And I think I just found a sig quote.
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i agree. And i think i just found a sig quote.
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post #21 of 74 Old 03-12-2012, 10:51 PM
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For all you ASSH#les who are judging me, maybe you misunderstood. They threw in the soft top as a gift. I don't give a sh$t which one goes back. I just was asking does it matter. I don't use the hardtop and didn't want to have to put it back before I turn it in. I'm not tryint to steal anything.
You didn't buy the Jeep, you're leasing it. There is no "gift" anywhere in that.


Call us what you want, but all it does is shows what type of person you really are.
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post #22 of 74 Old 03-12-2012, 11:32 PM
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Why would you want to keep a top for a Jeep you don't have? Every JK I see has a hard top on it so there is no shortage so no one will want to buy it.

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post #23 of 74 Old 03-13-2012, 12:21 AM
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His name should be NYcity. Gives the rest of us a bad name.
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post #24 of 74 Old 03-13-2012, 05:12 AM
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Why would you want to keep a top for a Jeep you don't have? Every JK I see has a hard top on it so there is no shortage so no one will want to buy it.
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You shouldnt ever get another Jeep eithier. We are not theives on here and we do not try to get stuff we arent entitled too to sell. Which you would obviously do since there would be no other use for a top. If everyone was like you the dealer wouldnt have worked with you and thrown in a soft top because the dealer would know its not coming back. Return the Jeep the way you got it. I am willing to bet if the roles were reversed and you were the dealer and someone was trying to pull that on you YOU would cry bloody murder and call them a theif and every other name in the book.

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post #25 of 74 Old 03-13-2012, 07:01 AM
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Eh I don't think he is coming back folks. Thing is this guy is 41 and should know better, His next vehicle should be a pair of Nikes! What a tool!
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post #26 of 74 Old 03-13-2012, 12:17 PM
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Ok, he's not a thief. Just lazy.
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post #27 of 74 Old 03-14-2012, 12:46 PM Thread Starter
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Wow what a bunch of Jerks. I didn't STEAL anything. As a matter of fact the dealer was a complete liar and told me all these things to get me to lease the jeep that weren't true. All car dealers are thieves who will say anything to get a sale. I just wanted to keep one of them as I am getting another jeep and then won't have to buy or bargain for another one.
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post #28 of 74 Old 03-14-2012, 01:09 PM
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I'm not tryint to steal anything...I just wanted to keep one of them as I am getting another jeep and then won't have to buy or bargain for another one.
orly!?

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    verb, stole, sto·len, steal·ing,
verb (used with object)

1. to take (the property of another or others) without permission or right, especially secretly or by force.

2. to appropriate without right or acknowledgment.
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The actus reus of theft is usually defined as an unauthorized taking, keeping or using of another's property which must be accompanied by a mens rea of dishonesty and/or the intent to permanently deprive the owner or the person with rightful possession of that property or its use.

For example, if nyorker310 goes to a Jeep dealer and, purposely or mistakenly, takes the hardtop or the soft top when returning the Jeep at the end of the lease term, he has physically deprived the dealer of the use of the property (which is the actus reus) but the mistake prevents nyorker310 from forming the mens rea (i.e., because he believes that he is the owner, he is not dishonest and does not intend to deprive the "owner" of it) so no crime has been committed at this point. But if he realizes the mistake when he reads replies to his JF thread and could return both tops to the dealer, he will steal the top if he dishonestly keeps it (see theft by finding). Note that there may be civil liability for the torts of trespass to chattels or conversion in either eventuality.
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post #29 of 74 Old 03-14-2012, 01:27 PM
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Wow what a bunch of Jerks. I didn't STEAL anything. As a matter of fact the dealer was a complete liar and told me all these things to get me to lease the jeep that weren't true. All car dealers are thieves who will say anything to get a sale. I just wanted to keep one of them as I am getting another jeep and then won't have to buy or bargain for another one.
This derp fountain draws from a deep well. x2 on giving the already none too stellar reputation of Angelinos one more kick in the marbles. Stay classy, you mouthbreather.

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post #30 of 74 Old 03-15-2012, 06:23 AM
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Suggestion.... when you take the Jeep back in, trade for an H2.

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