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Unread 07-03-2013, 09:23 AM   #121
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My 87 had a 3" body lift when I bought it, it doesn't now, nor does my 88. My point was that you could get a soft top on a bronco, or scout, but that doesn't make them a jeep. I'm proud to have AMC jeeps, AMC did more for jeep than all of the other owners of jeep combined. For example, stretched the nose on the cj to fit an I-6, put an in-dash stereo in the cj in 1976, made the v-8 an option in cj's, came out with the cj-7, made the 401 v-8 option for full size jeeps, produced the jeepster with a v-8 option, came up with great packages like, renegade, golden eagle, larado, honcho, cherokee chief, gave us the 258 and 4.0. In the 80's AMC really got busy with jeep and gave us the scrambler, cj-7 and cj-5( the 70's as well), the grand cherokee, we still had the j-10 and 20, we got the xj small Cherokee, the mj comanchee and the yj wrangler. To knock AMC, is to knock jeep it's self. Jeep wouldn't be around today if not for AMC. I've owned many AMC jeeps, j-10's, cj's, you name it, and they were as good as any jeeps before and after AMC. If AMC would of designed the jk, I'm sure it would be a different jeep today. Billy sums it up quit well, let the jk prove it's self. We all know the real reason the jk is so different. Chrysler wanted to reach a bigger market share, that's just good business. However, you have to be careful when you mess with an icon. Chrysler/fiat still has time to redeem them self's with future jeep models. Like I say, I love the jk with the brute p/u kit installed, it makes an awesome jeep truck.

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Unread 07-03-2013, 10:05 AM   #122
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I haven't clearly made the point I'm trying to get across. Yes Chrysler made them cushier and added a 4dr to get more market share, but what most people complain about, wider, lighter metal, more plastic, different engines etc. would have needed to be done by AMC if they still made them. You cannot get around the rule and regulation changes that have happened since the 70s and 80s.
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Unread 07-03-2013, 02:32 PM   #123
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Just a wild thought that would possibly address the concerns of the purists. Why isn't there an SRT Wrangler? Something along the lines of the Viper. A barebones, high performance, no nonsense off road machine based on the Rubicon.
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Unread 07-03-2013, 02:50 PM   #124
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For Sale: 2013 4dr JK Painted black Hard Top JKUR 18/59 springs and shocks

97 TJ: daughter 1 - 2.5L, Auto, 2" BB, 31" GY Duratrac
98 TJ: Daugher 2 - 4.0L, 5spd, D44 rear
06 LJ Rubicon: mine - Rokmen full up-armor, 8 adjustable CAs, front bumper, sliders, corners, Shrockworks rear bumper, 3" AEV/BDS lift, Currie HD stearing and Antirock, MT/r - k 35x12.5, SuperWinch, MC Overlines, York OBA
13 JKU Rubicon: Wife's for now, Ace Rock rails & rear bumper tire carrier, Truck Lites, MC Game changer 3.5 lift, RR skids, PSC Brawler front bumper, Warn 9.5cti-s, 35" GY MTRs
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Unread 07-04-2013, 10:32 AM   #125
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I see your point filthy-beast, however they still could have made the jk not so ugly, that's in the designers hands, nor did it have to have plastic fenders. I feel it could of been designed with a much better look. Looks change, maybe the next one will work a little better for us.
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Unread 07-04-2013, 10:51 AM   #126
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I see your point filthy-beast, however they still could have made the jk not so ugly, that's in the designers hands, nor did it have to have plastic fenders. I feel it could of been designed with a much better look. Looks change, maybe the next one will work a little better for us.
take a look thru this thread, many of the jeeps are far from ugly.

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f96/s...r-jks-1255930/

I have a YJ that I luv but I.m reminded of the mailman every time I see a stock one.

all jeeps are a canvas, you create the painting.
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Unread 07-04-2013, 11:02 AM   #127
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I had a JK and got rid of it for a TJ Rubicon.

Thicker metal
Metal grill
Metal fenders
Metal door handles
More REAL, useable power
Much less water leakage from tops, hard or soft
More and cheaper after market parts that have been further developed for more years
More REAL off road capability
Does not burn oil
Straight six, does not have a mini van motor
Is not a mini van disguised as a Jeep Wrangler
Lighter
Smaller footprint
More maneuverable
Much better looking, looks like a Jeep Wrangler
Less invasive electronics like ABS, VSC that cannot be deactivated regardless of what people say
Drives and feels like a Jeep instead of a car/minivan
Does not have the fat butt JK look

No, it is true, I do not much like JKs and I had one for five years and 88,000 miles, hated it every minute. Oh, and that minivan d---n door/seatbelt awful chime, DING, Freaking DING, DING, FnDing, DING, DING. I can still here it dinging in my nightmares. And those plastic Tupa-bumpers. People kept asking me what year my Liberty was, not good.

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Unread 07-04-2013, 11:22 AM   #128
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More REAL off road capability
This is completely false. A stock JK, same driver, will out wheel a stock TJ. Put the same Mods, say 3.5" lift, rock rails, 37" tires, highline fenders same driver, and the difference in off-road ability gets even greater in favor of the JK. Occasionally I have to make a three point when a TJ doesn't but the LJ still needs to make those same three points. Very seldom is the tree gap too small for the JK. The only real difference is I'm less likely to try an obstacle that has just caused body damage on 5 out of 7 TJs with my 2013 JK than I would be with my 2006 LJ.

I'm not a fan boy of either, I have both, nicely built too. You might not like the look or the price of the mods but you cannot argue with the fact that it is most capable production 4x4 made.
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98 TJ: Daugher 2 - 4.0L, 5spd, D44 rear
06 LJ Rubicon: mine - Rokmen full up-armor, 8 adjustable CAs, front bumper, sliders, corners, Shrockworks rear bumper, 3" AEV/BDS lift, Currie HD stearing and Antirock, MT/r - k 35x12.5, SuperWinch, MC Overlines, York OBA
13 JKU Rubicon: Wife's for now, Ace Rock rails & rear bumper tire carrier, Truck Lites, MC Game changer 3.5 lift, RR skids, PSC Brawler front bumper, Warn 9.5cti-s, 35" GY MTRs
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Unread 07-04-2013, 03:01 PM   #129
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This is completely false. A stock JK, same driver, will out wheel a stock TJ. Put the same Mods, say 3.5" lift, rock rails, 37" tires, highline fenders same driver, and the difference in off-road ability gets even greater in favor of the JK. Occasionally I have to make a three point when a TJ doesn't but the LJ still needs to make those same three points. Very seldom is the tree gap too small for the JK. The only real difference is I'm less likely to try an obstacle that has just caused body damage on 5 out of 7 TJs with my 2013 JK than I would be with my 2006 LJ.

I'm not a fan boy of either, I have both, nicely built too. You might not like the look or the price of the mods but you cannot argue with the fact that it is most capable production 4x4 made.
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Unread 07-04-2013, 03:34 PM   #130
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I see your point filthy-beast, however they still could have made the jk not so ugly, that's in the designers hands, nor did it have to have plastic fenders. I feel it could of been designed with a much better look. Looks change, maybe the next one will work a little better for us.
As a very proud TJ owner, I'm not sure what you're on about. Jeeps in general are ugly as ****. That's what makes them so iconic. They're unique. And the JK has metal fenders... ones that are more durable than the ones on my TJ. The FLARES on a JK are plastic, just like the flares on a TJ, YJ, CJ etc. etc. etc.

Not trying to split hairs but just kinda speaking the truth.
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Unread 07-04-2013, 03:41 PM   #131
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Jk does not have metal fenders, that's all plastic there
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Unread 07-05-2013, 02:43 AM   #132
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Jk does not have metal fenders, that's all plastic there
Thats not by mistake, it's designed to be able to replace those fenders cheaper than if you bent up metal ones.

(plus i'm sure it helped shave 30lbs)
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Unread 07-05-2013, 05:22 AM   #133
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Jk fenders are metal the fender flares are plastic
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Unread 07-05-2013, 05:35 AM   #134
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He is a link for the replacement OEM fender: http://www.4wd.com/Jeep-Body-Parts-R...UtgMgodEnAARg#
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Unread 07-05-2013, 06:56 AM   #135
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I give JK owners tons of crap about being sissy Jeeps but truth be told if I could afford one I would trade my XJ in on a JKU in a heart beat. Most everyone I wheel with drives JK's and they work great off road!
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