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Unread 06-26-2013, 11:44 AM   #76
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Unread 06-26-2013, 11:54 AM   #77
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Can we request no salespeople at dealerships too?

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Unread 06-26-2013, 02:45 PM   #78
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I say tj! when i drove the jk i didn't feel like i was driving a Jeep, it didn't have much power, and it wasn't all that smooth.

Tj vs jk vs YJ..... I say YJ!!!!!! :-)
Isn't that what "real" Jeeps ARE?!!

This is for the earlier pages of idiocy
I cannot take anyone serious that says a CJ, YJ and TJ are the only real Jeeps.

If a real Jeep has a crappy driveline and/or suspension, then you can keep your "real" Jeeps. By the time you fix all the weak parts, its not a Jeep anymore, its a custom rig.

Metal this and metal that, pah, have fun with 10mpg too. My fenders won't turn brown with rust while getting a reasonable 17-20mpg.

I had a Cj7 and a YJ, and got sick of how often they broke. My JK? 2" spacers and 33s, taken everything I've thrown at it and never been in a shop, unlike the fragile CJ and YJ I had which practically lived in the shop.

And the TJs are no better with their stock drivelines and suspension, short of a Rubicon. At least you can take a JK offroad and not worry about cheap control arms or weak rear axles or breaking frame rails or tearing off steering boxes etc... On top of that, its easier to take apart and maintain.

I drive my JK to colorado, utah etc... every year and its the first Jeep I wasn't worried about weak parts leaving me stranded.

"real" Jeeps, what a joke.

*disclaimer* I love all Jeeps and my CJ and YJ, but the people who hate on the JK really are dillusional
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Unread 06-26-2013, 02:59 PM   #79
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Why I would never trade my TJ for a JK:
Size restrictions on some of the trails I run: 95" Wheelbase, 75" Width.
Sorry, No JK's allowed.



When I am done with these tight Northwest trails, I may want the creature comforts of the Trail Cow. The heated seats would be nice for snow wheeling.



No hate for the JK. It just can't fit everywhere here.
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Unread 06-26-2013, 04:11 PM   #80
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Isn't that what "real" Jeeps ARE?!!

This is for the earlier pages of idiocy
I cannot take anyone serious that says a CJ, YJ and TJ are the only real Jeeps.

If a real Jeep has a crappy driveline and/or suspension, then you can keep your "real" Jeeps. By the time you fix all the weak parts, its not a Jeep anymore, its a custom rig.

Metal this and metal that, pah, have fun with 10mpg too. My fenders won't turn brown with rust while getting a reasonable 17-20mpg.

I had a Cj7 and a YJ, and got sick of how often they broke. My JK? 2" spacers and 33s, taken everything I've thrown at it and never been in a shop, unlike the fragile CJ and YJ I had which practically lived in the shop.

And the TJs are no better with their stock drivelines and suspension, short of a Rubicon. At least you can take a JK offroad and not worry about cheap control arms or weak rear axles or breaking frame rails or tearing off steering boxes etc... On top of that, its easier to take apart and maintain.

I drive my JK to colorado, utah etc... every year and its the first Jeep I wasn't worried about weak parts leaving me stranded.

"real" Jeeps, what a joke.

*disclaimer* I love all Jeeps and my CJ and YJ, but the people who hate on the JK really are dillusional
I ment the interior didn't feel like a Jeep. The way the steering wheel was and everything, i truly felt like i was driving a mini van
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Unread 06-26-2013, 07:55 PM   #81
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I had a Cj7 and a YJ, and got sick of how often they broke. ...unlike the fragile CJ and YJ I had which practically lived in the shop.
I thought you were describing a Fiat for a moment...
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Unread 06-26-2013, 10:56 PM   #82
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I have two TJs, an LJ Rubi and a JKU Rubi. They are all real Wranglers. The tops come off, doors come off, windshield folds down and all have drain plugs in the floor. Drive the JK, if it's built the way you want and you like the feel go for it. If it stills needs lots of mods then sink the money into your TJ instead. Myself I'd be more interested in a 2012+ for the 3.6 engine.
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Unread 06-27-2013, 05:08 AM   #83
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everything I've thrown at it and never been in a shop, unlike the fragile CJ and YJ I had which practically lived in the shop.
What is this shop you speak of?

When my things break I fix them...
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Unread 06-27-2013, 06:18 AM   #84
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went thru your build thread, you have done some very nice bolt on mods.
now, how about posting some action shots so we know you actually use it.
wheeling at the mall doesn't count.
Ok as soon as my mopar half doors get out of paint and I get my power headted mirrors put on them I will put some rocks under it


Oh and FYI I had to take the bolts off as well.
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Unread 06-27-2013, 07:59 AM   #85
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What is this shop you speak of?

When my things break I fix them...
So do the rest of us. We just have gotten so sick of doing it in a blizzard in someone else's driveway that we bought a place with a garage with multiple bays, typically with a bay referred to as "the shop".

I spent so much time working on the YJ that it's storage is officially in the shop bay while the JK gets driven daily.
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Unread 06-27-2013, 08:55 AM   #86
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So do the rest of us. We just have gotten so sick of doing it in a blizzard in someone else's driveway that we bought a place with a garage with multiple bays, typically with a bay referred to as "the shop".

I spent so much time working on the YJ that it's storage is officially in the shop bay while the JK gets driven daily.
Damn those Texas blizzards are a *****

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Unread 06-27-2013, 09:11 AM   #87
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I have two TJs, an LJ Rubi and a JKU Rubi. They are all real Wranglers. The tops come off, doors come off, windshield folds down and all have drain plugs in the floor.
I forgot they also have solid axles and round headlights
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Unread 06-27-2013, 10:21 AM   #88
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I forgot they also have solid axles and round headlights
So does my Power Wheels Barbie car!
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Unread 06-27-2013, 08:40 PM   #89
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So do the rest of us. We just have gotten so sick of doing it in a blizzard in someone else's driveway that we bought a place with a garage with multiple bays, typically with a bay referred to as "the shop".

I spent so much time working on the YJ that it's storage is officially in the shop bay while the JK gets driven daily.
This. to a lesser extent in my case, I worked on my own stuff too, but refer to it as being in "the shop" to get the idea across that they were not in any sense, reliable.

The CJ was better than the YJ as far as not breaking driveline parts, but it made up for it in breaking its frame, shoving the engine into the radiator and a general lack of structural integrity .

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I thought you were describing a Fiat for a moment...
No, sorry, I was describing 2 Renaults (both close enough) but at least they weren't Daimler.
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Unread 06-27-2013, 09:03 PM   #90
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LOL, I could have 2 JK's for what I've got in my TJ......

And I'd still rather have my TJ for what I do and what I like. Nothing against JK's at all, they're great vehicles. But there are constraints in place that make them unattractive to me from a certain point of view (tub is flush with the frame in the rear, for example). I could go take a JK off the lot today but you don't see me doing that. Envy is not part of the equation here and I doubt it is for most.
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