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Unread 06-25-2013, 04:51 PM   #61
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Don't listen to the haters.

I've got a YJ and JKU and have tooled around with many a TJ.

If it's not as spartan as the YJ, then screw it, go with the modern beast that in the JK. It wheels incredibly well right out the box, great highway comfort, still pretty spartan compared to most vehicles on the road, and comes stock with 32"s. They're awesome.

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Unread 06-25-2013, 04:56 PM   #62
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It's all everyones personal opinion... Take a TJ for a dip in the water, then take a JK with all the power seats mirrors windows etc etc for a dip in the water.. Tell me which is easier, both physically and financially to repair
Personal opinion... JK's will win hands down on a street test anyday.. Depending on how you wheel, the longer wheel base will get you hung up more...6 of one, half a dozen of another.
At the end of the day, its still a jeep, no matter what your opinion is on it, and it will still pull your *** out if you're stuck.. And thats all that matters
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Unread 06-25-2013, 05:01 PM   #63
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Take a TJ for a dip in the water, then take a JK with all the power seats mirrors windows etc etc for a dip in the water.. Tell me which is easier, both physically and financially
Done both. Our JK was *way* easier to drain.

And another thing: Not all JKs have power seats, windows, mirrors, etc.

I *hate* how people assume that.

Our JK:
Manual seats
Zippable windows on half-doors (more spartan than your fancy full doors on most TJs)
manual mirrors
electronic console that does fine exposed in major thunderstorms


The new JKs can be just as spartan as the old TJs. It's the *consumers* that have gotten soft.
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Unread 06-25-2013, 05:02 PM   #64
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Unread 06-25-2013, 05:08 PM   #65
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Zippable windows on half-doors (more spartan than your fancy full doors on most TJs)
I didnt know you could still get half doors with zip up windows as a factory option
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Unread 06-25-2013, 05:08 PM   #66
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And another thing: Not all JKs have power seats, windows, mirrors, etc.

I *hate* how people assume that.
Oh, I know that not all JK's come with power everything.. But it's just that consumers have become lazier, and it's more convenient to push a button for the mirrors and to have a nice warm butt on a cold day..
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Unread 06-25-2013, 06:53 PM   #67
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Go on the lot and see what is selling...not the base model...the heated seat, latte warming, soccer mom version. They are selling like hot cakes. I ran into one at the dealer because my niece wanted a new jk. The couple drove up in a 2012 rubi looking to buy another. I asked them if they wheel.... boy I got a look, just like a lab puppy when you say sit. His rubi never saw dirt but was a symbol to show his buddies hummer sucked and in his words, " he doesnt take his off road". Hum... so his wife wanted the dozer colored one because "my friends like the color and my other one drives so well". Be happy Fiat listens to them on surveys because they will choose the next jeep wrangler. I am hearing it will have backup cameras and will park itself.
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Unread 06-25-2013, 08:03 PM   #68
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I can take a VW bus off-road, too. What other vehicles can or cannot do and the amount of frills they have is irrelevant in regards to what makes or doesn't make a Jeep. The fact you can take a stock, damn-near featureless JK Sport off the lot and tackle most trails is exactly what makes it a Jeep. It's what has made all the previous line of Wranglers "Jeeps" as well.

If you can show me a JK that can't do something on the trail that a TJ, YJ, or CJ can do because of its power windows, remote start, or Sirius radio, I'll eat the corn out of your poop.

The plastic fenders, heated seats, power windows, and other creature comfort features found in the Wrangler are what keeps Jeep alive. If Jeep catered solely to the "no-nonsense" enthusiast crowd that only enjoys hitting trails, they would've gone extinct a long time ago. Thank a soccer mom driving around in a fully-loaded Rubicon that'll never see a trail, nor carry a payload beyond screaming kids and a bag of groceries. She's the reason you can still by a Jeep today.

I'm extremely proud of my JK and it hasn't been able to do anything my old TJ or YJ couldn't do.
I have Sirius xm radio in my YJ.....
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Unread 06-25-2013, 08:22 PM   #69
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I have Sirius xm radio in my YJ.....
Neat.
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Unread 06-25-2013, 09:32 PM   #70
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Done both. Our JK was *way* easier to drain.

And another thing: Not all JKs have power seats, windows, mirrors, etc.

I *hate* how people assume that.

Our JK:
Manual seats
Zippable windows on half-doors (more spartan than your fancy full doors on most TJs)
manual mirrors
electronic console that does fine exposed in major thunderstorms


The new JKs can be just as spartan as the old TJs. It's the *consumers* that have gotten soft.
My CJ doesn't have:
seats
doors
mirrors
electronics

Beat that!
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Unread 06-25-2013, 09:51 PM   #71
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My CJ doesn't have:
seats
doors
mirrors
electronics

Beat that!
....touché, ha ha

(Even the YJ can't compete with that. No windshield, though!)
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Unread 06-25-2013, 10:22 PM   #72
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Haha this is ridiculous. All CJs, YJs, TJs, AND JKs are AWESOME off road. I got a JKU so I can have a ton of room for camping gear and bikes, and I can only have one vehicle. I just wheeled it in Moab and it did great stock. And yes I got heated seats, but it can also (and does) hit -40 or 50 here in the winter. It has solid axles, and the doors and top come off in no time at all. I have no problem with someone preferring another model over this one, but there's definitely a ton of people who aren't soccer moms driving them. And if you really think this isn't a Jeep...then I guess I don't want to drive a Jeep!

Moral of the story: all Jeeps are awesome, quit with the whining and the pissing contests!!
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Unread 06-26-2013, 05:00 AM   #73
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I really don't care which model you drive. I'll wave at ya when I see ya regardless.
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Unread 06-26-2013, 06:06 AM   #74
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When I bought my Jeep the salesperson, on his check list, was required to show me how to manually roll a window up and down.
True story.
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Unread 06-26-2013, 07:40 AM   #75
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When I bought my Jeep the salesperson, on his check list, was required to show me how to manually roll a window up and down.
True story.
That is because we have idiot-proofed the world, and now the world is full of idiots...
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