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tmcgraw 07-19-2012 07:38 AM

Why Not a Land Rover?
 
I work at a Land Rover dealer in central, Ohio. I meet some interesting, die-hard Land Rover enthusiasts. I'm kind of looked down on by some for owning a Jeep.

I love the 1995 ZJ Limited 5.2 I have, and it gets the same mpg, and I would say is just about as capable as most of the new Land Rovers. But the comparrison between the two is always a hot topic of discussion between the fella's here at work.

What I'm running into now is I'm looking to upgrade my Jeep, and I'll be looking at newer (2000+) models over the next couple of years. Probably not trading my 95 in though.

Anyone want to make the argument of why to get a Jeep over a Land Rover, especially the mid-2000's models? I'm looking at getting another Grand Cherokee but just can't find a model that on paper looks as good as my ZJ to me, but I want the newer features. Is there a solution?

Ready. Fight! :)

Rhino217 07-20-2012 12:31 AM

Not owning either, I would side towards a Jeep. My dad always wanted a Land Rover and finally picked one up a couple years ago. (Early 2000's) Loved it, until someone backed into his plastic bumper cover and realized it was a few hundred bucks to replace. Plus the fuel mileage wasn't the greatest either. Especially when it calls for premium.

I think with about the same performance, I'd side with a Jeep just with upkeep and maintenance alone.

JACKAL0PE 07-20-2012 05:24 AM

Well that's pretty easy.

Land Rover is consistently rated as one of the least reliable vehicles made. JD Power gives it a 2.5 score on reliability.

“Land Rover's spotty reliability also can't be ignored when considering a Range Rover purchase. Whether the company's new owners can amend the record remains to be seen, but in the past the Range Rover has been one of the lowest-ranked vehicles in mechanical reliability.” -- Edmunds

“Reliability isn’t a strong suit.” -- Car and Driver

YelloJeep 07-20-2012 05:42 AM

I'll chime in for the heck of it... Of course, I just have an old YJ and have never owned a Grand Cherokee. That being said, if money wasn't an issue... I have always sort of liked the Land Rover Defenders (I think the last of the three is a Discovery).... Like these:
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...rHmNFHgJRkUu70
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...iUe0NVdsVF8Mog
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...-gdKwF-wGVebGQ
I mean, can any later model Cherokee even pretend to get that cool without some serious modifications? I don't know a whole lot about Land Rovers or newer Cherokees but those look like they are built to be offroad capable... Where honestly the newer Cherokees look like typical SUVs for driving the family around.. For that matter, the Discoveries arent much different from the Cherokees probably.....

Here you go (2005 Grand Cherokee):
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...xMw0G7cyRWdfZU

Or (2005 Discovery):
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...PhPQUY596T9cB6

That's probably a more fair comparison, right? I say get a Defender.:)

tmcgraw 07-20-2012 05:54 AM

I think the true Land Rover enthusiasts are your Defender and Disco owners, more so the fact that 70% of all the vehicles Land Rover has ever produced are still on the road today. Now that's not just considered to be in North America. Overseas the option of their diesel engine is considered to be one of the most reliable diesels ever produced, close to that of the VW TDI (I work in a highly populated VW area, we -rarely- ever get a VW into the dealership, and most local shops won't touch a german engineered diesel.)

But that's kinda null-void just because we can't get the diesel. :)

tmcgraw 07-20-2012 06:05 AM

BTW, I posted a reversed question on a Land Rover forum, it's been very quiet. :)

ezk83 07-20-2012 06:13 AM

I dont know anything about the rovers. But i have a o4 grand cherokee and its a tank it takes all the abuse my wife throws at it and has given me no problems. And is a beast in the snow.

04ovrland 07-20-2012 06:25 AM

if your looking for an "off road" vehicle that compares to the defender you cannot look at a 2005+ GC without expecting to spend some money to make them compete. a WK just was never designed to be a competitor with the expedition style defender.

Now if you look into a WJ which can be found in the 2004 overland package(4.7HO, 545rfe,247,d44a all with two tone leather, red wood grain(real wood) and navigation) which i must say from experience is probably one of the best jeeps i have ever owned. With its solid axles and durability definitely competes with a defender with nothing more than a 2"bb and 245 mt's. and even at that you still have probably spent less than you would with a defender.

tmcgraw 07-20-2012 07:51 AM

My interest is really peaked, in 2004 was the Overland package like the Limited, Laredo, or was it just an additional featured kit then? What am I looking for to see if something has the Overland packagae or not when I'm looking at used Jeeps?


EDIT: Nevermind, found 'em!

Dave2002ti 07-20-2012 03:16 PM

Land Rover Defender
 
They sold around 500 Defender 110's in the US in mid 90's. They are currently selling for $80K to 100K unrestored. restored and repowered ones begin at $120k or more.

New Range Rovers and Land Rovers are considerably more reliable since Tatra took over. Look at were Jag is on the JD Power study. There reliability will improve as new models replace old.

My 2012 GC will probably be traded in for a 2015 Defender 110


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