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Unread 06-27-2012, 08:19 AM   #1
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Unlimited?

Well, as things are turning out, I may have a few more dollars to put into my future jeep than was originally expected. This opens up the possibility of affording a TJ Unlimited model.

The Unlimited brings with it that wonderful Dana 44 rear end and a larger cargo area (I'll be removing the back seat regardless of what I get and using the area behind the front seats as a pickup bed).

Downsides? Seems to me that the longer wheelbase and greater overall length will decrease off-road capability. It's no longer as short and maneuverable as the short wheelbase TJ. Seems to me that it's also more likely to get stuck in the middle when going over a sharp hill (is there a term for that?).

Am I right or is that extra 10 inches of wheelbase so small that there's really no downside to an Unlimited? I'd love to hear from those who have taken both the short and long wheelbase versions offroad.

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Unread 06-27-2012, 10:44 AM   #2
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I suggest reading this thread:
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f9/20...ilure-1144202/
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Unread 06-27-2012, 11:00 AM   #3
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The long wheel base can be very helpful and makes it ride better on the street and increases the towing capacity.
Why do you think all of the serious Tj guys stretch their wheelbase to basically match the LJ's stock wheelbase.
The downfall is you are longer in the backend and can catch stuff when you go over rocks and ledges along with getting high centered on occasion.
I do have to take more care in the tight areas, but that will make you a better driver in the long run and will boost your ego when you can fit the longer LJ in the same space as the TJ.
LJ has disc brakes all around.
The added space is very useful and the TJ's get very envious of that feature.
Looks like the old Scramblers.
I'm very happy with my LJ and I wheel with many Tj's that are stretched and not stretched and do almost all of the trails they do. Most of them are on 35's or bigger.
They curse me when the little bit longer wheelbase gets up and over obstacles that they have to fight with.
Find an '06, if you can and you can avoid the problems in the above post. The 06 also has the beefed up 6 spd unlike the '05's which has a reverse issue (I know from having to rebuild my reverse).
I've owned 3 CJ7's and a YJ over the last 25+ years.
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Unread 06-27-2012, 11:08 AM   #4
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The long wheel base can be very helpful and makes it ride better on the street and increases the towing capacity.
Why do you think all of the serious Tj guys stretch their wheelbase to basically match the LJ's stock wheelbase.
The downfall is you are longer in the backend and can catch stuff when you go over rocks and ledges along with getting high centered on occasion.
I do have to take more care in the tight areas, but that will make you a better driver in the long run and will boost your ego when you can fit the longer LJ in the same space as the TJ.
LJ has disc brakes all around.
The added space is very useful and the TJ's get very envious of that feature.
Looks like the old Scramblers.
I'm very happy with my LJ and I wheel with many Tj's that are stretched and not stretched and do almost all of the trails they do. Most of them are on 35's or bigger.
They curse me when the little bit longer wheelbase gets up and over obstacles that they have to fight with.
Find an '06, if you can and you can avoid the problems in the above post. The 06 also has the beefed up 6 spd unlike the '05's which has a reverse issue (I know from having to rebuild my reverse).
I've owned 3 CJ7's and a YJ over the last 25+ years.
Well said. An 06 LJ will likely be my next vehicle.
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Unread 06-27-2012, 11:34 AM   #5
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The long wheel base can be very helpful and makes it ride better on the street and increases the towing capacity.
Why do you think all of the serious Tj guys stretch their wheelbase to basically match the LJ's stock wheelbase.
The downfall is you are longer in the backend and can catch stuff when you go over rocks and ledges along with getting high centered on occasion.
I do have to take more care in the tight areas, but that will make you a better driver in the long run and will boost your ego when you can fit the longer LJ in the same space as the TJ.
LJ has disc brakes all around.
The added space is very useful and the TJ's get very envious of that feature.
Looks like the old Scramblers.
I'm very happy with my LJ and I wheel with many Tj's that are stretched and not stretched and do almost all of the trails they do. Most of them are on 35's or bigger.
They curse me when the little bit longer wheelbase gets up and over obstacles that they have to fight with.
Find an '06, if you can and you can avoid the problems in the above post. The 06 also has the beefed up 6 spd unlike the '05's which has a reverse issue (I know from having to rebuild my reverse).
I've owned 3 CJ7's and a YJ over the last 25+ years.
I just bought an '06 LJ Rubi. I was under the impression in was the 2004 year that didn't have OPDA problems, but '05 and '06 did??
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Unread 06-27-2012, 12:50 PM   #6
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Depends on the build date for the OPDA issue.
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Unread 06-27-2012, 07:19 PM   #7
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Okay. I read it. Don't really know what it's telling me though. It appeared that it isn't confined to Unlimiteds. Is that correct? I saw where there was a Chrysler service bulletin, but couldn't really tell if that was a warranty fix that most would have by now or not.

Lots of good information for someone who has the problem, but are you trying to tell me I shouldn't buy an unlimited for this reason?
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Unread 06-30-2012, 01:27 PM   #8
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The extra length is nice for storage and towing capacity the overall length increase is 20" but the wheelbase is only about 10" or so the other 10" is behind the wheels which give the LJ the dreaded rear end that can get caught on over hangs, and ledges. Also you are slightly more likely to high center but not a huge problem, and on some really tight turns you may need to make a three point turn. IMO the advantages far out weigh the few disadvantages.
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Unread 07-01-2012, 10:14 AM   #9
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I like mine and figure it will be the next Jeep Classic?? anyone agree??
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Unread 07-04-2012, 08:35 AM   #10
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I am arriving late at this show, but I love my 2004 LJ, I put 31 inch Good Year Wranglers which are great off road and on road. Never a problem going to or getting to where I need and want to go.
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Unread 07-06-2012, 06:48 AM   #11
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I think the LJ is definitely worth a look. Mine has never been off-road, but handles pavement with ease! You're a distance from me, but it is posted in the forum classifieds, so you can check out some pics.
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