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Unread 01-10-2012, 08:12 AM   #16
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Why does it irk me when cops respond differently to a "citizen" down versus a "cop" down call?

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Unread 01-10-2012, 12:08 PM   #17
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Just from my experiences it doesnt look like a 115 mph crash. Not sure where that came from. Do you have the town/state it happened in?
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Unread 01-11-2012, 04:25 PM   #18
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Just to play devil's advocate..... while he wasn't "legally" drunk, he was still under the influence of alcohol, and further reading reveals that he wasn't wearing his seat belt at the time and as such was ejected from the CJ. You can see in the pictures that the cockpit stayed entirely in-tact and there was no deformation at all to the driver's area in the crash. Nobody knows how it would of turned out had he worn his seat belt, but it very well could have saved the man's life.

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Unread 01-14-2012, 10:19 PM   #19
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I was wondering the samething... it some States, that kind of speed even with emergency lights might be considered reckless.
have a buddy who rolled his truck a while back. two responding LEOs were "racing" each other to the scene and both ended up wrecking into said buddies truck. now they are both suing him for damages. this world is ****ed
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Unread 01-15-2012, 07:25 AM   #20
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have a buddy who rolled his truck a while back. two responding LEOs were "racing" each other to the scene and both ended up wrecking into said buddies truck. now they are both suing him for damages. this world is ****ed
I think in most States, once the lights come on, the non LEO are required to get out of the way of the emergency vehicle. Therefore, if there is impact between the two, the non LEO didn't get out of the way.
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Unread 01-15-2012, 10:14 AM   #21
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have a buddy who rolled his truck a while back. two responding LEOs were "racing" each other to the scene and both ended up wrecking into said buddies truck. now they are both suing him for damages. this world is ****ed
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I think in most States, once the lights come on, the non LEO are required to get out of the way of the emergency vehicle. Therefore, if there is impact between the two, the non LEO didn't get out of the way.
Ok, but how is a rolled truck supposed to get out of the way of a responding emergency vehicle? LOL
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Unread 01-15-2012, 10:31 AM   #22
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Ok, but how is a rolled truck supposed to get out of the way of a responding emergency vehicle? LOL
lol exactly. his truck was inoperable after rolling. these morons wrecked into the vehicle they were responding too by driving way to fast to the scene. its their own damn fault lol
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Unread 01-15-2012, 12:17 PM   #23
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Ok, but how is a rolled truck supposed to get out of the way of a responding emergency vehicle? LOL
That was my first thought. Even went back to double check I read the post right. Haha
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Unread 01-15-2012, 03:30 PM   #24
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There is never a reason for driving this fast.... people pulling onto the road from side streets wouldn't stand a chance, by time they saw the e-lights, it would already be too late.
The siren and light give a bright enough and loud enough warning. If that driver obeyed the law that says to stop or pull over for emergency vehicles that officer never would have hit him. The officers are trained to negotiate stationary vehicles at a high speed. The jeep driver probably saw the lights and was just in a hurry and thought I am going the opposite way I can cross over real quick to the next lane. No matter what, if lights and sirens are going, you must stop and wait. I blame the jeep driver
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Unread 01-15-2012, 03:38 PM   #25
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lol exactly. his truck was inoperable after rolling. these morons wrecked into the vehicle they were responding too by driving way to fast to the scene. its their own damn fault lol
Until it goes to Court and there is a Judgement, this is all opinion. There is your side of the story, my side of the story, then there is the truth.
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Unread 01-15-2012, 03:42 PM   #26
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The siren and light give a bright enough and loud enough warning. If that driver obeyed the law that says to stop or pull over for emergency vehicles that officer never would have hit him. The officers are trained to negotiate stationary vehicles at a high speed. The jeep driver probably saw the lights and was just in a hurry and thought I am going the opposite way I can cross over real quick to the next lane. No matter what, if lights and sirens are going, you must stop and wait. I blame the jeep driver
I'm not talking a side one way or the other, as I don't know the facts. There are a lot of roads with curves, hills, etc., where a driver's line of sight and sound is limited. At 115 MPH, depending upon the road (remember this didn't happen on an x-way), it would be impossible for a driver pulling from a side road or driveway to know about the emergency vehicle until it was too late. As I said in another post, at this point in time, it's all opinions.
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Unread 01-15-2012, 04:03 PM   #27
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Ok, but how is a rolled truck supposed to get out of the way of a responding emergency vehicle? LOL
This is a Classic case of no matter what a LEO does some will always say they are above all Laws & can do No Wrong. So your buddy should have gotten his vehicle rolled back over & then started it & moved out of the LEOs way knowing the two were going to be dumb enough to hit his immobilized vehicle.

Wait does that sound as stupid as I think it does? Yes it does
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Unread 01-16-2012, 12:01 PM   #28
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I'm not talking a side one way or the other, as I don't know the facts. There are a lot of roads with curves, hills, etc., where a driver's line of sight and sound is limited. At 115 MPH, depending upon the road (remember this didn't happen on an x-way), it would be impossible for a driver pulling from a side road or driveway to know about the emergency vehicle until it was too late. As I said in another post, at this point in time, it's all opinions.
I agree with opinions but I disagree with how you could have no idea of an e-vehicle coming code 3. I hear cops over a mile a way. I can tell by the sound which way they are driving. I was woken up the other night to a high speed chase at 3. Was a 1/4 mile away. Called my buddy and found out they were doing 80mph through residential at 3am. It was an armed car jacking. Do I agree with chasing him through residential? No I think there different tactics but they make decisions based on experience and training. I have sorrow for the families who lost loved ones, but like you said its all opinions.
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Unread 01-16-2012, 01:37 PM   #29
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Nobody who is in trouble wants a slow cop. If you happen to be unfortunate enough to miss the visual and audible clues (it's been scientifically proven to be very possible to miss these, sound and light can act funny) you may end up in a situation just like this.

I don't think police should naturally be given a pass for anything they do, however, in this case, it looks like the Deputy was doing his job (a real tough and ****ty job most people won't do for the poor assed pay they get) and the Jeep driver failed to check his mirror or look good enough to see an emergency vehicle approaching.

Also, he was legally intoxicated. He ain't gonna win this one and shouldn't.

People need to remember how badly they want the police, fire and paramedics to respond when they are in a life threatening situation and then .... well shut up.
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Unread 01-16-2012, 02:01 PM   #30
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Put it in to a bit more perspective.

If your wife was home and someone was breaking in would you want the cops there asap?

IMO - most *******s on the road don't pay attention to their mirrors, case and point
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Last summer I was sitting at a light on a 4 lane and saw\heard an EMS vehicle coming up the road with lights and sirens on. Being on a motorcycle I moved off to the shoulder while the light was still red, the ******* BEHIND ME who had a BETTER VIEW of what was coming pulled up to take my spot by the light.

The *******s around me finally saw the lights when they were reflecting off of their vehicles and moved slow as slugs out of the way.

I was on my ninja, there were 3 cars around us, two in the left lane, one behind me.
So IMO part of the issue is peoples total lack of situational awareness, even in this incident (unless the cop took a turn at 115 and the guys house was less than 1\8th a mile from said turn) this could have been voided with better situational awareness.
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