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Unread 07-31-2010, 04:09 PM   #1
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Holy Cross City 4x4 trail

Has anyone done this trail? I am going to try it out here in a few weeks and would like to know any hints or even better if someone could do it with me.

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Unread 08-01-2010, 05:31 PM   #2
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Your not big enough! I did it last year with a 4" Tomken lift, 33" tires, no lockers, and alot of armour. I hit most of the armour, had to be winched, bent a driveshaft, and I came out about in the middle of the success ratio. We rolled one on an optional obstacle, got 3 out of 6 up through French creek without a winch. 2 of these had full lockers too. Unless you have at least 4" lift, 35" tires, lockers on both axles, and more than a Dana 35 in the rear, looked at your profile, I would never even suggest it. I was there on Friday with a Toyota group and only the really big ones that were locked up even made it. The average time for a vehilce to get through French Creek was about 25 to 30 minutes of jockying arround. If you do try it, good luck.


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I lost a steering setup in French Creek last year. 35s and ARBs will make you work for your money there, here are some pics.....
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Crap...is there any bypasses around some of the tougher parts? Or is it limited to pretty much hardcore stuff?
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Unread 08-06-2010, 11:50 AM   #5
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For the first couple of miles it has a few harder obstacles but none have any bypasses. French creek is just like the pics. It is a SOB. French creek is hard enough but just after you get out you are still going to have trouble. So the answer is YES it is pretty muck hardcore stuff!

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Unread 08-12-2010, 02:22 PM   #6
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i'm planning to go hit French Creek with a buddy in an ARB locked diesel KJ... HAHAHA. we'll probably sit out most of it... we'll probably just go park and watch others hit it... I don't have enough proper experience to try that stuff out without spending a day watching others do it..... i'm pretty new to Jeeps and rock crawling, but i love working on my jeep so it's pretty solidly built.

But the KJ guy doesn't wanna hurt his rig... it's well armored but **** still happens
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Unread 08-12-2010, 02:27 PM   #7
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BVJeep, are you still running your D35 with 35's?? is it a super 35 or stock? my D35 broke within 3 weeks of putting 35's on. HA. so i got a D44 and geared both front and rear down to 4.88 and ARB locked 'em both.
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Unread 08-13-2010, 09:25 PM   #8
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Here is mine still climbing stuff that it shouldnt and still rockin the stock D35 with open axels. I have run Chinaman's Gulch 4 times this year and done all the obstacles that I can and still have not broke it "YET" I think that the open diffs makes a difference when your wheeling them. Letting the axle slip helps to take some of the pressure off of the axles. Plus at 8000 ft altitude we are down about 20% on horse power and torque too.

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hahaha you must have a "golden 35"!!! i've got a 2.5L and open D35 and it cracked just climbing a hill... no wheel spin.. but when we pulled it apart we found "older" stress fractures that happened before i ever bought the jeep........... good luck man.

i'm doing Left Hand Canyon tomorrow. if you wanna join lemme know
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Unread 08-16-2010, 09:19 PM   #10
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Some pics of what I have done with my D35




All these done with 33's or with the current 35's

Yes it is LUCK too

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Unread 08-16-2010, 10:31 PM   #11
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Wow, that went way further than mine ever did!!
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Unread 09-06-2010, 03:39 PM   #12
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Have done it three times. The first time with a bone stock '79 CJ5. Did some spinning and winching but made it. The next two times with '80 CJ5, 4" lift and 33"'s. It was a lot more work with that truck!!!
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Unread 09-06-2010, 04:49 PM   #13
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I have done it with my 99 Wrangler, 2 1/2 lift, 32s, 3.73s, (at the time), had to be winched through French Creek, there are winch anchors there, and in another spot closer to the top.

Guy I was with did it in his 85 CJ 7, 4.56s, 32s, and lockers, and he did not have to winch through any area on the trail.

Both of us went up and back with no vehicle damage. I think 32s, winch or lockers, or both would be the minimum to try Holy Cross with. 35s, lower gearing, lockers, would be better, but it can be done without having a max modified Wrangler.

I think the damage you may incur is directly related to how much thought you put into getting through the obstacles on the trail.
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Unread 09-07-2010, 10:00 AM   #14
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so true!
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