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Unread 12-08-2009, 06:32 PM   #1
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Has anyone ever been on or heard about these trails marked in google maps marked as "Jeep Trails"

42.317183,-72.41027

42.349605,-72.464086

(just copy and paste those into google maps)

I live in Belchertown and would love to know if these are legal to use sense they are right down the street basically.

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Unread 12-08-2009, 07:33 PM   #2
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Looks to be in the same general vicinity as Rattlesnake Gutter. A bit further South though. Hopefully a land use guru from one of the local clubs will chime in.
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Unread 12-08-2009, 07:34 PM   #3
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Well, the first one, if you do a street view at the southern end, you'll see that it goes into a farmers field and has a small building just inside the tree line and the other end, comes out in the garage of a McMansion.
I've been (heavily) involved in the New England wheeling community for almost 25 years and have never seen this. I would say...ILLEGAL

Second one: Same thing.. Do a street view and you'll see that one end is no longer. There is a self storage driveway there and a rather large security fence. The other end cuts right across a home's back/side yard.
Closed/Illegal.

There are only about 5 legal roads still left in MA that are hard enough to actually need 4WD for most of the drive. They are all in western MA.
These will be gone soon as too many people are using them irresponsibly and not being pro-active and dealing with the local communities enough.
Most of the New England clubs have access to private lands but as the ultra liberals take a stronger hold on our personal rights and allow the gov't to play a larger role in all of our lives, our ability to use those private lands is going to dwindle as well and unless we as a community wake up and do something about it, we will eventually lose ALL of our places to play.
Contact NEA or www.NOVA4x4.org for more info on clubs you can join.

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Unread 12-08-2009, 08:01 PM   #4
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Damn I figured maybe I found a trail. I know about a few of those five trails you speak of, I have only been on the Rattlesnake Gutter though, I only know about a couple of the others but don't know were they are because I am not a member of any club. Looks like I should find one to join.
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Unread 12-08-2009, 08:12 PM   #5
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Rattlesnake Gutter is one of those private ones of which I spoke.. NOT a public road. Lots of greenie activists want that area closed, despite it being private. They are more pro-active than we are, so they will win and get it closed fairly soon I'd imagine.
Sucks but what can you do? Be active like them...? hell no, thats too much like work!
Some good clubs out there, look at a lot of them and find one that fits you.

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Unread 12-08-2009, 08:15 PM   #6
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hhhmmm good to know that about the Gutter.
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Unread 12-08-2009, 08:41 PM   #7
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The landowner at Gutter is a large local company that feels that motorized use should have its place. They open their lands to the public as long as it is respected and as long as they don't face major issues to keep it open to the public.
Once they do, they close them. They have already closed/gated two other parcels in MA in the last year due to disrespect of the land and local pressures.
As more people are pressed into using less land, its only obvious whats going to happen.
Enjoy your Jeep while its still legal to drive... period...

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I know it wouldn't ever really be possible, but it would be great if you could just use the power-line trails. There every where. There is one about 5 min. from my house.
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I whent down Daniel shays highway today to actually see what the opening that trail looked like and it had a log across it so it is most definatley closed
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I know it wouldn't ever really be possible, but it would be great if you could just use the power-line trails. There every where. There is one about 5 min. from my house.
Back in the day, many powerlines were open... BUT... Too many people disrespecting the land that wasn't theirs got them closed. And... IF we as a group were able to take the thousands of people who like to do this and actually get them to be proactive instead of re (or in) active, we might have stood a chance of keeping them open. No longer...

Those two "Jeep Trails" used to be roads.. They were most probably discontinued and reverted back to the abutting land owners, which makes them private property.

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Unread 12-11-2009, 11:54 AM   #11
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It is to bad about the power lines being closed. If i was able to use them I would deffinatley make sure not to disrecpect them. Some of them would be pretty good too, as I mountain bike and hike I have been down them on mountain bikes and hiking.
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Most powerlines are kicka$$. It is too bad.
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yes they are. Most I have ridden my bike on are all up a hill and then back down. This causes rain to wash all the dirt out and leaving a lot of rocks behind.
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Unread 12-11-2009, 01:33 PM   #14
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I know of a couple trails WAY out in western MA that are still legal...I'm from Pittsfield. They're all old roads that are no longer taken care of and have fallen into disrepair.
You could also hit Savoy State Forrest. If you hit the northern end of it, it gets WET and LOTS of washouts. Since its a state forrest, and the trails are old ones to different camp sites, they're still the roads, and not the ATV trails....you just need to look hard and maybe mark them on GPS. The Pittsfield State forsest is the same way...you just need to search. I stumbled across one or 2 in PSF, but I don't have a GPS and I can't find them again.
You just need to make sure you don't do anything stupid or stumble onto any ATV trails. (Most are marked pretty well. You'll see a little pic of a jeep with no top or windshield with the infamous red circle with a slash across it.
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I know of a couple trails WAY out in western MA that are still legal...I'm from Pittsfield. They're all old roads that are no longer taken care of and have fallen into disrepair.
You could also hit Savoy State Forrest. If you hit the northern end of it, it gets WET and LOTS of washouts. Since its a state forrest, and the trails are old ones to different camp sites, they're still the roads, and not the ATV trails....you just need to look hard and maybe mark them on GPS. The Pittsfield State forsest is the same way...you just need to search. I stumbled across one or 2 in PSF, but I don't have a GPS and I can't find them again.
You just need to make sure you don't do anything stupid or stumble onto any ATV trails. (Most are marked pretty well. You'll see a little pic of a jeep with no top or windshield with the infamous red circle with a slash across it.
The BEST thing to do is go the state's OWN site...

State Parks Trail Maps

Then, print them out and carry with you if/when you are traveling in that state forest (or park.. but the parks are much more civilized and most do not have any roads that require 4x4).
Here is the key fact:
We, as responsible 4WD enthusiasts, are allowed on ROADS.. NOT trails.
If the map shows a multi-use trail but it has "road" in its name and it is not gated, we are technically allowed on them (as long you are driving a registered and insured vehicle). However, if the key shows it to be a non motorized/hiking trail with a road name, we are NOT allowed.
Also, you need to check both winter and summer maps if available, as the winter use probably includes snowmobiles on many roads and during the winter, those roads are NOT open to our use.. Ya hafta give the sled guys their time in the woods too.. afterall, they may only get 2-3 months to really enjoy their sport.

Yes, this can be a little confusing, but in MA, there are some roads out there that may require 4WD in some spot.. there are probably only 2-3 that would require it for most of the length.

Also, also, you do need to know where you are, as the EPOs won't necessarily accept the "I didn't know where I was" excuse.

Have fun out there and be good... if you are rolling along in low gear and come across some garbage that some hikers left along the roadside, because they couldn't be bothered to pack it out with them, stop and pick it up... and then, as you leave, stop by the HQ and put it all in the trash receptacles... so the Rangers can see you doing good.

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