post #16 of Old 11-17-2010, 08:00 PM
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Like said above, there is a reason the BFG's are not snow rated. They do okay in snow, but on hard packed snow or slush I hated mine. The hard rubber compound makes them last for a long time, but hinders their ability to provide good traction in wet conditions. Since everyone speaks so highly of the BFGs I thought it was maybe my driving or the crappy roads. Once you drive in the snow with a dedicated set of snow tires you will never go back. It is a night and day difference.

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post #17 of Old 11-17-2010, 10:19 PM
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Like said above, there is a reason the BFG's are not snow rated. They do okay in snow, but on hard packed snow or slush I hated mine. The hard rubber compound makes them last for a long time, but hinders their ability to provide good traction in wet conditions. Since everyone speaks so highly of the BFGs I thought it was maybe my driving or the crappy roads. Once you drive in the snow with a dedicated set of snow tires you will never go back. It is a night and day difference.
I agree 100% on this.

People just don't have an idea how well a winter/snow tire grips compared to anything else. It's a world of difference between any AT and a good set of snow tires - and the snow tires work better in pavement as well.

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post #18 of Old 11-18-2010, 07:10 AM Thread Starter
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The only bfg all/t that is not snowflake/mountian rated is the smallest on tirerack.com

Im really suprised at how big of a diffrence everyone is saying a snow tire makes. Im excited to try a set out.

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post #19 of Old 11-18-2010, 01:34 PM
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I would say all of the super-siped (studable) snow/winter tires from the major manufacturers are pretty damn good. Some of the low- priced ones are pretty good as well, many of them are older versions of the big mfg's tires.

You can stop in under half the distance with a snow tire - of course depending on the road conditions - when compared to ATs or standard "all weather" road tires. The difference is biggest on packed snow and ice, and of course minimal in good road conditions.

It was the first real snowstorm of the winter here today. I was driving with my BFG MTs, and I can tell you they suck BIG time on packed snow If I was doing anything more than ~35mph, I was all over the road (with winter tires wouldn't have been a problem going 55mph). In a way I think it's a good thing winter specific tires are mandatory here in Finland during cold season.

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I bought some cheap TBC snow tires from NTB last year, those were no better than my A/T's with 35-40k miles. But when I returned them and swapped them for the Blizzaks THAT'S when it was night and day difference.
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post #21 of Old 11-18-2010, 05:50 PM
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I ran blizzaks on a 2WD ranger and drove west out of Denver on I 70 in a snow storm and never slipped a tire. 4WD SUVs were sliding off of the road around me.

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post #22 of Old 11-19-2010, 11:33 AM
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Has anyone ever tried the Firestone Destination A/T(On-/Off-Road All-Terrain)? It gets pretty good ratings in snow on tireracks's "survey" section.


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post #23 of Old 11-20-2010, 09:19 AM
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Most BFG ATs are severe snow rated (snowflake on the mountain symbol) and they do quite well. I ran them on my TJ for the last 4 winters, they were my tire of choice for my tow rig and they are on my XJ for year 'round.

That being said the wife gets dedicated snow tires in the winter for that extra edge. Her Cherokee is running Toyo Open Country Observe G-02 tires as of last week. They have ground up walnut shells in the rubber and grip ice and packed snow almost as good as studded tires. BTW her JK had BFG ATs on it for 3 winters, with the traction control it was very safe, the XJ only has ABS hence the Toyos.

The bottom line is there is NO comparison between a dedicated snow tire and any AT, an "all year" tire just doesn't have the siping or tire compound for the really bad stuff. If you drive on snow like you're driving on snow you will probably be OK with the BFGs and you can run them year 'round. If you want that extra level of insurance buy some spare rims and go with a dedicated winter tire.

I got hooked up with the BFGs when we first moved up here. I noticed that 80% of the contractors working on our first remodel had them on their trucks. When asked they said they were the best all around tire they'd found and they needed to get to the job no matter what.

I'm sure other ATs are good also, just figured why change a winner.

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I have a set of Dunlop RVXT 31x10.5x15 on my 05 TJ and I was thinking about running them through the winter but I came up with some extra money this month and I am going to get a set of Firestone Winterforce 265/75/15 (metric 31-10.5-15) and put them on my old YJ rims that I just painted. Four wheel drive is ok for the go part of the performance envelope but doesn't help much in the turn and stop part.
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I had no issues in WA/OR snow with BFG ATs. But I did take them and have real sipes cut in. That may have made a differance.
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my 31x10.5x15 bfg ats have the snowflake and they have done very good for me in the last winter. i went out in the snow and drove around before the plow trucks got out and was driving in 8'' of snow and did perfectly fine. then i went offroading and did very well also. id suggest them for snow road driving or offroadin

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To clear up the confusion about whether the BFG A/T KO is considered a snow tire the answer is yes....in most sizes that is. There are about 4-5 oddball sizes that do not come with the snowflake. For example the LT265/75R16 with Raised white lettering has the snowflake but the BSW does not. There was also a notice released by BFG around last winter saying that they will slowly be removing the snow symbol from their tires in the next few months/years because of stronger regulations from the DOT. So if you plan on getting a set with the snowflake I would ASAP.

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In 9.5 wide sizes, the BFG AT is a great snow and ice tire. In 10.5 wide its a good snow and ice tire.

In 12.5 wide. I think its a terrible winter tire.
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My friend has the 9.5s and were verry nice last winter.

I think with alk the info i want to go with the Goodyear Duratecs since my plan with this rig is a ready for anything type rig. But i kindof want a 30" and they skip from 235 to 31. Or i deal with a 31 for a few weeks untill i get a bb.

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In 9.5 wide sizes, the BFG AT is a great snow and ice tire. In 10.5 wide its a good snow and ice tire.

In 12.5 wide. I think its a terrible winter tire.
Ice tire? Are you serious?!

BFG AT is in NO way a great or even good ice tire. It does not have any grip on ice due to the complete lack of sipes that would grip on ice. For really rough ice they work ok, just as they work pretty well for certain type of snow. But ice that is anything else than very rough they don't bite at all.


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My friend has the 9.5s and were verry nice last winter.

I think with alk the info i want to go with the Goodyear Duratecs since my plan with this rig is a ready for anything type rig. But i kindof want a 30" and they skip from 235 to 31. Or i deal with a 31 for a few weeks untill i get a bb.

Just remember the narrower the tire, the better it grips on snow (and ice). IMO the best snow tires up to about one-two feet of snow for a vehicle sized like XJ are no more than 235 wide. For certain situations I'd rather have tall 215s, but they aren't really available. 235/85 R16 is the best slightly larger tire, or near stock size I'd take 225/75 R15 or 235/75 R15.
I do agree 100% on the comment about the 12.5 wide being a terrible winter tire. Even if you needed flotation on very deep snow, it's not gonna work too well.

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