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Unread 04-25-2013, 09:39 AM   #46
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Have you had a chance to dismount any or your tires yet? I'm just curious if there is any damage to the insert from the beads flying around in there.

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Unread 04-25-2013, 09:45 AM   #47
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Nope.. no reason to take any apart. I don't see how the beads could do any damage to the bead lock.. they are tiny - what damage can they do at low speed bouncing around? At high speed, they are forced to the spot on the outside of the tire they need to be for balancing and then don't move. Id be shocked if things looked any different inside than they did on the day they were put in.
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Unread 04-25-2013, 09:48 AM   #48
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I guess I'll go for it. I already have three bags of the beads, so I would only need to buy one more.
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Idaho-Jeep; I see that you're running the Vanco 15" brake kit with these. Any problems with clearances?
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Unread 06-10-2013, 07:40 AM   #50
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Nope - no problems with running the vanco brakes.
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Unread 06-10-2013, 08:57 AM   #51
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I have used steel BB's for @ 15 years. I have them in my truck I haul cars with. I average about 3500 miles a week and the tire shop I bought my tires at are impressed how they wear vs traditional wheel weights.
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Unread 12-31-2013, 06:07 AM   #52
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I have these on my 1979 CJ7 and love them. Air down and keep going. Run them with the Goodyear MTR's on the road @ 10psi, with no problem. Drove from Ohio to Colorado last summer with this set @ 28 psi. Gas mileage wasn't great, but when you're running 40 inch tires, you can't expect to get good mpg!
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Digging up an old thread again. Idaho Jeep, have you dismounted the tires yet? How have the wheels held up? Also when running the dynabeads is there any period getting up to speed that the wheels feel unbalanced before smoothing out? Like how the drill in the video doesn't instantly smooth out?
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I have not dismounted my tires yet.. they are probably still at 80%. Since I have a full size spare and rotate that through and I don't really put many miles on my Jeep I won't be dismounting for a while unless I rip a tire. Wheels have held up great.. a few dings and scratches here and there but other than that no problem. The tires balance perfectly and i never notice anything out of balance even at any speed.
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Unread 08-29-2014, 01:17 PM   #55
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Nice, I'm running Staun's now and they're a pain in the *** to work on. I didn't try the Dyna beads because they seem to be hit or miss with people. They work great but I want something much easier to put together. What happens with the Hutchinson's if you run too low? For like snow or something similar at 1-2 psi. Do you risk major wheel and tire damage if you hit a rock or does the tire protect the wheel pretty well?
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Nice, I'm running Staun's now and they're a pain in the *** to work on. I didn't try the Dyna beads because they seem to be hit or miss with people. They work great but I want something much easier to put together. What happens with the Hutchinson's if you run too low? For like snow or something similar at 1-2 psi. Do you risk major wheel and tire damage if you hit a rock or does the tire protect the wheel pretty well?
1-2 Psi means you have a wheel with a relatively thin layer of rubber between that wheel and the road. That rubber will have infinite amount of play because no air is holding it's shape.

Picture it this way:

Would you hurt yourself if you ran full-tilt at a wall, head first? YES.

Would you hurt yourself if you ran at said wall while wearing a top of the line motorcycle helmet? Most probably NO.

Would you hurt yourself if you ran head first at the same wall with a thin layer of tire rubber between your head and the wall? YES.

You have to realize that beadlocks keep the bead seated in the wheel at very low Psi. This is to help wrap the tire around an obstacle for more contact patch (without the risk of unseating the bead). The air that used to be present was the "cushion" factor. Without that cushion factor, be prepared for a completely different ride.

Read and learn: http://www.diybeadlocks.com/category-s/1838.htm

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Digging up an old thread again. Idaho Jeep, have you dismounted the tires yet? How have the wheels held up? Also when running the dynabeads is there any period getting up to speed that the wheels feel unbalanced before smoothing out? Like how the drill in the video doesn't instantly smooth out?
If you do choose to give the dynabeads a try one thing I'd say is don't go by their chart for amount of beads. More like 1.5 to 2x what their chart says works a lot better in my experience. Personally I do love them because of the ease when setting up beadlocks. On road, I'd call my satisfaction with them ok. When hitting big bumps and disrupting the beads I think you can feel momentary wobble. I also think they have a hard time as you get to lower tire pressures and introduce more flexibility to the sidewall. For example, from a pure ride comfort level I'd choose to run my 35x12.5x17 MTRs at 22psi, but below 24psi I'll start getting balance related wobble. This manifests itself also in temperature sensitivity. The warmer it is outside or simply the warmer your tires get after 5-10 miles driving leads to better balance. I know of one other member here with same tire and wheel combo I have who independently came to very similar conclusions, so I don't think it's just me. Overall, keeping those points in mind no big driveability issues and no tire wear issues so I'm still using them.
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1-2 Psi means you have a wheel with a relatively thin layer of rubber between that wheel and the road. That rubber will have infinite amount of play because no air is holding it's shape.

Picture it this way:

Would you hurt yourself if you ran full-tilt at a wall, head first? YES.

Would you hurt yourself if you ran at said wall while wearing a top of the line motorcycle helmet? Most probably NO.

Would you hurt yourself if you ran head first at the same wall with a thin layer of tire rubber between your head and the wall? YES.

You have to realize that beadlocks keep the bead seated in the wheel at very low Psi. This is to help wrap the tire around an obstacle for more contact patch (without the risk of unseating the bead). The air that used to be present was the "cushion" factor. Without that cushion factor, be prepared for a completely different ride.

Read and learn: http://www.diybeadlocks.com/category-s/1838.htm

Watch and learn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW8K...jdpfabrication

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhaO...annel=ATVTVCOM
Yeah I got it, I've done lots of beadlock research. That's why I'm running Staun's now. Snow wheeling though you have to get extremely low to get on top of the snow unless you're running larger than 50" tires or at least that's what I've seen/heard. I meant more at low speed if you hit a rock coming through the snow going less than 5 mph would the wheel make it from a hard hit?

I'm just trying to find something easier to setup than my Staun's that give me similar or better performance at a lower end cost with less work. I just got a nail in tire last week when aired down, went through the tube sidewall covering and I got a pinhole in the tube. I've done lots of research on these Hutchinson's but am looking for specific feedback is all
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Unread 08-29-2014, 03:14 PM   #59
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If you do choose to give the dynabeads a try one thing I'd say is don't go by their chart for amount of beads. More like 1.5 to 2x what their chart says works a lot better in my experience. Personally I do love them because of the ease when setting up beadlocks. On road, I'd call my satisfaction with them ok. When hitting big bumps and disrupting the beads I think you can feel momentary wobble. I also think they have a hard time as you get to lower tire pressures and introduce more flexibility to the sidewall. For example, from a pure ride comfort level I'd choose to run my 35x12.5x17 MTRs at 22psi, but below 24psi I'll start getting balance related wobble. This manifests itself also in temperature sensitivity. The warmer it is outside or simply the warmer your tires get after 5-10 miles driving leads to better balance. I know of one other member here with same tire and wheel combo I have who independently came to very similar conclusions, so I don't think it's just me. Overall, keeping those points in mind no big driveability issues and no tire wear issues so I'm still using them.
Cool, thanks for the advice. I've always wanted to but have hesitated due to what I said earlier. I'll look into running them again when I change beadlocks one day
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Nice, I'm running Staun's now and they're a pain in the *** to work on. I didn't try the Dyna beads because they seem to be hit or miss with people. They work great but I want something much easier to put together. What happens with the Hutchinson's if you run too low? For like snow or something similar at 1-2 psi. Do you risk major wheel and tire damage if you hit a rock or does the tire protect the wheel pretty well?
Sorry Tommy. I should have been more direct in my answer to your last questions:

Yes, you run the risk of wheel damage, but this is for ultra low Psi required wheeling such as rock crawling at slow speeds or snow wheeling, so the slow speed almost eliminates the *bang, thunk* of a rubber covered bead hitting a rock hard enough to dent and/or bend it.

The tire does NOT protect the rim bead well at all against a hard surface.

My advice would be to install an OBA system before lowering tires to low Psi so that if you need to roll on them on pavement or such afterwards or between trails, you can re-inflate back to a safe running pressure.
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