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post #361 of 1238 Old 11-16-2013, 11:35 PM Thread Starter
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Goodyear is still USA owned. Where are its tires made?


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post #362 of 1238 Old 11-17-2013, 03:27 AM
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Goodyear is still USA owned. Where are its tires made?
All sizes of MTR/K & Duratrac are made in US. All sizes BFG KM2 made in US.
All BFG KO made in US, except for size LT195/75R15, made in US & Mex.
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post #363 of 1238 Old 11-17-2013, 07:13 AM
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Some sizes of Grabbers and Grabber AT2s are made in Mex and Czech. The AT2s on my pickup and Jeep were made in Mex.
Noted. For me, it's easy because I embrace a global economy and will only make a special effort to spend domestically if all other factors are equal. If Koreans are making a tire that's better for me than Americans are making, my money goes to Korea. Others have different priorities, though, so I try to stay as well-informed as possible for them; thanks for the correction/info.

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post #364 of 1238 Old 11-17-2013, 07:31 AM
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Making tires is dirty business. Glad to see them made in third world countries. I'd rather not have a tire factory in my backyard.

Thanks to the Koreans for working for $5 a day and for fouling their own air and water in ways that Americans won't do.

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All sizes of MTR/K & Duratrac are made in US. All sizes BFG KM2 made in US.
All BFG KO made in US, except for size LT195/75R15, made in US & Mex.
There was a rumor going around JF in the past that BFG AT were now made in China. That is not the case?

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post #366 of 1238 Old 11-17-2013, 01:47 PM Thread Starter
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Noted. For me, it's easy because I embrace a global economy and will only make a special effort to spend domestically if all other factors are equal. If Koreans are making a tire that's better for me than Americans are making, my money goes to Korea. Others have different priorities, though, so I try to stay as well-informed as possible for them; thanks for the correction/info.
Agreed.

Also, isn't the XJ an international vehicle?

Wasn't XJ suspension and original fuel injection designed in France by Renaux? And then TJ front suspension is a copy of that.

Wasn't the XJ body and frame (unibody) designed in France by Renaux? I personally like unibody.

Wasn't the XJ's transfer case(s) and excellent auto transmission designed and manufactured in Japan by New Venture or New Process? How about the manual transmission?

The XJ is the most international Jeep ever, and my personal favorite too.
Crown replacement parts are excellent (sometimes better than Mopar parts, IME) and Crown parts are made in China.

XJs, and to some extent TJs, are popular all over the world and can be seen driving anywhere in the world. XJs are still being manufactured in China and some South American country (Brazil I think).

Wouldn't it be fun to fly to Brazil for vacation, buy a new XJ, and drive it home?

On the same note, other super popular, well designed USA cars that have been discontinued in USA are now made in other nations. Ford Rangers were discontinued in USA, but are still made in Mexico and Australia. Buick Park Avenue was discontinued in USA, but now made in China. Some discontinied Cadillacs are now made in China.

US car makers sometimes license popular older models to be made by foreign companies in other nations. Sometimes US car companies build their own factories in other nations to keep making old popular models.

It's an international world and I don't hear any US Citizens complaining when that benefits us, which it often does.

I want to vacation in Brazil, buy a new XJ and drive it home. On the way home, stop in Mexico and buy a new quad cab Ford Ranger.

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post #367 of 1238 Old 11-17-2013, 02:14 PM
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QUOTE BY CHARLEY 3: "Thank you! I said the same near beginning of thread and got flamed over and over for speaking the truth. Duratrac is not an AT (even though Goodyear marketing dept calls it an "aggressive AT")."

I read this whole thread and later forgot this point you made about the Duratracs.

Just a quick note. I have been looking for tires for my TJ Rubicon to replace the MT/R's but noticed my five year old tires on my Ford F350 diesel truck, Cooper Dominator Sport A/T "E", with a manufactured date of 0608 has cracked sidewalls. They have between 10K and 15K miles on them. They were bought at Discount tire in 07/08 and probability need to be replaced, due to these cracks. I'll go to Discount tomorrow and see if they are history and if they can do anything for me. The Dominator Sport A/T is an AT tire to possibility avoid. They've had recalls in the past and they also do poorly on wet roads and gravel roads.

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QUOTE BY CHARLEY 3: "Thank you! I said the same near beginning of thread and got flamed over and over for speaking the truth. Duratrac is not an AT (even though Goodyear marketing dept calls it an "aggressive AT")."

I read this whole thread and later forgot this point you made about the Duratracs.

Just a quick note. I have been looking for tires for my TJ Rubicon to replace the MT/R's but noticed my five year old tires on my Ford F350 diesel truck, Cooper Dominator Sport A/T "E", with a manufactured date of 0608 has cracked sidewalls. They have between 10K and 15K miles on them. They were bought at Discount tire in 07/08 and probability need to be replaced, due to these cracks. I'll go to Discount tomorrow and see if they are history and if they can do anything for me. The Dominator Sport A/T is an AT tire to possibility avoid. They've had recalls in the past and they also do poorly on wet roads and gravel roads more so than other AT tires I've owned in the past.
Huh. OK.Good to know.

Regarding crackes sidewalls. My tire store has told me, and it has been my experience, that ingaraged vehicles in the Nothern USA will get tire sidewall cracks within 5 years, no matter the brand. Garages vehicles tires last more years before cracks develope because less sun damage.

In sunnier Southern climates, sidewall crack develope sooner due to more sun damage.

So your tires lasted as long as any brand could before developing sidewall cracks.

I have always wondered if (during Summer) applying rubber conditioner with sunscreen (like offered by Maguire) to sidewalls might prevent cracks.

BTW - This is why it's a good idea to keep a cover on spare tire. It keeps sun off the tire.

I realize tires will still dry and crack eventually, even if no sun (like in storage), but sun does cause cracking sooner.

I don't drive very many miles per year. I've never worn out the tread on a set of tires. I have to replace about every 5 to 6 years due to sidewall cracks. This has been same with all brands I've used.

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Thanks Charley3 for your last post. (#368) At least I'm not alone with tire cracks. I use a liquid UV protector on the rubber roof of my 5th wheel and I think I'll be checking out the UV products for tires as well. Maguire's products have worked very well for me in the past, so I'll start there. Maybe I'll try the "Meguiars Mirror Glaze #40 Vinyl & Rubber Cleaner / Conditioner" and see how it works over time.

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Thanks Charley3 for your last post. (#368) At least I'm not alone with tire cracks. I use a liquid UV protector on the rubber roof of my 5th wheel and I think I'll be checking out the UV products for tires as well. Maguire's products have worked very well for me in the past, so I'll start there. Maybe I'll try the "Meguiars Mirror Glaze #40 Vinyl & Rubber Cleaner / Conditioner" and see how it works over time.
Don't use Amorall. It's main ingredient is alcohol. Amorall is really a cleaner, NOT a protectant.

Alcohol makes rubber (or plastic) clean and shiny, but accelerates drying out and cracking. Read ingredients and avoid products containing alcohol.

The most effective protection is a garage or carport, or parking in shade.

If a car is parked in garage when not in use, the sidewalls might last 8 or 9 years, but that's about it. Perhaps same for ungaraged car with rubber conditioner and UV protectant applied to sidewalls? I'm referring to Northern climates here.

If you do nothing to protect your sidewalls, they'll last about 5 years in a typical Northern climate, or 2.5 to 3 years in a typical sunny Southern climate.

The irony is that although driving low miles per year saves me gas, it doesn't save me any money on tires. I have to replace tires approx every 5.5 years (sidewall cracks) even though lots of tread left.

However, I now have a garage. So my sidewalls will last longer now.

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And let us not forget elevation and snow,sand, water reflectivity.

NOAA claims between a 4-5% increase in UV radiation for every 1000 feet ascended. A sunny day parked at the slopes at 10,500 feet is like a week in sunny Florida. (Snow being more reflective than sand.)

Surprising, seeing as my Silent Armors, while the side walls are peeling and de-laminating they are not terribly cracked. They are 6 years old have never seen a garage and have spent last 5 years above 5,000 feet with 300+ days of sun.
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There was a rumor going around JF in the past that BFG AT were now made in China. That is not the case?
The only published info I can find says that KO, Rugged Terrain, and KM2 are made in US. Maybe Michelin is having some of the cheaper Goodrich outsourced to China?
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And let us not forget elevation and snow,sand, water reflectivity.

NOAA claims between a 4-5% increase in UV radiation for every 1000 feet ascended. A sunny day parked at the slopes at 10,500 feet is like a week in sunny Florida. (Snow being more reflective than sand.)

Surprising, seeing as my Silent Armors, while the side walls are peeling and de-laminating they are not terribly cracked. They are 6 years old have never seen a garage and have spent last 5 years above 5,000 feet with 300+ days of sun.
Perhaps Silent Armor are more prone to peeling and delaminating than cracking, but either way your sidewalls are failing at 6 years. Probably started failing around 5 years?

Still proves my point. Sidewalls typically last around 5 years in Northern climates, if car not garaged. That is regardless of miles driven.

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The only published info I can find says that KO, Rugged Terrain, and KM2 are made in US. Maybe Michelin is having some of the cheaper Goodrich outsourced to China?
Maybe. Don't know. It might have been an Internet rumor aka Bulloney.

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Despite the Duratrac being called a "commercial traction" tire, I'm finding it(internet info) to be more of what I'm looking for in a tire.
It seems to have good reviews for ride and all around traction, and a lot of people that came off BFGs, etc. have stated the Duratrac was better. So, whether it's an AT or other, people are liking it more than the predominant AT brands.
I'm seriously considering it as my next replacement.
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