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Unread 10-01-2013, 04:28 PM   #271
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I don't mean to shift the subject, but in case anyone that could contribute this information is reading right now, I really want to see/hear more about Toyo's Open Country AT2 especially given their visual similarities to other "winners" like Hankook's ATM and Cooper's AT3.

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Unread 10-01-2013, 05:25 PM   #272
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I don't mean to shift the subject, but in case anyone that could contribute this information is reading right now, I really want to see/hear more about Toyo's Open Country AT2 especially given their visual similarities to other "winners" like Hankook's ATM and Cooper's AT3.
Agreed. I'd like to see/hear more.

My only observation to date about Toyo AT2 is very similar tread to Cooper AT3, Hankook ATM, and Nitto Terra Grappler AT; but the Toyo AT2 treads have some partially interlocking tread elements (for better or worse).

Otherwise, I don't know anything about it, but I'd like to know more.
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Unread 10-01-2013, 07:12 PM   #273
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Hook me up with some KJ Renegade or Limited wheels, and I'll do the testing myself (Pirelli Scorpion ATR if Toyos don't fit; those are also on my to-test list and fit a ton of sizes).
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Unread 10-05-2013, 11:40 AM   #274
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I picked up a set of lt open country at2 in 235/75 15 about a month ago. I have nothing negative to say about them. I don't wheel my cherokee but I do spend a fair amount of time on forest service roads. On road they corner well, handle wet weather very well, ride well, and only have a slight hum between 40-50 mph. No reports on snow performance yet. I had them out on the fs roads last week and was very happy. I didn't get into any mud deeper than about 2" in that trip but they were fantastic. Most of the surface was loose rock and dirt with a few sections of larger rock. Aired at 28 lbs they handled everything easily and rode well Perfect tire for me
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Unread 10-05-2013, 01:40 PM   #275
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Thanks for the partial review of Toyo AT2. That is useful.

I'm looking forward to a further review of Toyo AT2 in snow, ice, and mud at least 4" deep so I can make some comparisons between it and my Cooper AT3, and Hankook ATM.
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Unread 10-05-2013, 02:04 PM   #276
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Heading out for a buck in a couple of hours with the jeep this time. I'll see what we run into
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Unread 10-05-2013, 04:40 PM   #277
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Just got a set of Cooper AT3s for my truck, 265/70/17. Paid $138/tire installed. Will let you know how they perform after I put some miles on them.
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Unread 10-05-2013, 06:26 PM   #278
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Almost forgot, Cooper is offering a rebate of $80 when you buy 4 tires. So I actually got them for $118/tire. Couldn't pass it up.
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Unread 10-05-2013, 06:28 PM   #279
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That pretty much settles it for me. Sounds like the Toyos would give me all that my Kumhos give me now plus some road hum (these Kumhos are virtually silent) and probably some better mudding. I'll probably drop them from my "to-do" list and try Pirelli's Scorpion ATR next if I ever get new wheels since I generally don't touch anything resembling mud in my travels.

It has occurred to me recently thinking about ATs that there aren't really many straight-up BAD ATs. I mean, when they're all pretty good, it gets pretty tough to sort them out from each other; how much better/worse is a Cooper AT3 from a Hankook ATM from a Silent Armor from a General AT2 from a...... I really can't think of a legitimately BAD AT tire as long as it's used appropriately. They seem to live in 3 general categories of mild, mid, and aggressive, and within each category, it's pretty tough to really say X is drastically better than Y. The only "bad" AT's in my mind are the ones that are labeled as AT tires when they really just shouldn't be (Firestone Transforce AT comes to mind).
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Unread 10-05-2013, 08:53 PM   #280
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Almost forgot, Cooper is offering a rebate of $80 when you buy 4 tires. So I actually got them for $118/tire. Couldn't pass it up.
You got which Cooper tire?
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Unread 10-05-2013, 09:00 PM   #281
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It has occurred to me recently thinking about ATs that there aren't really many straight-up BAD ATs. I mean, when they're all pretty good, it gets pretty tough to sort them out from each other; how much better/worse is a Cooper AT3 from a Hankook ATM from a Silent Armor from a General AT2 from a...... I really can't think of a legitimately BAD AT tire as long as it's used appropriately. They seem to live in 3 general categories of mild, mid, and aggressive, and within each category, it's pretty tough to really say X is drastically better than Y. The only "bad" AT's in my mind are the ones that are labeled as AT tires when they really just shouldn't be (Firestone Transforce AT comes to mind).
I like the mid.

I do think there are substantial differences in performance on some terrains, and minor differences on road. To me, and many people, those differences are important. IMO

I know you prefer the mild. That's good for you because it suits your needs.
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Unread 10-05-2013, 09:22 PM   #282
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You got which Cooper tire?
AT3 for my Silverado.
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Unread 10-05-2013, 10:29 PM   #283
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Hello All, I am looking for some tires for my WJ. I posted a thread and got a variety of awesome feedback from everyone on here. I am hoping by replying to this thread I will get some direct comparisons among my top choices. One thing I noticed in this thread and others is that there is not much talk about the Firestone Destination AT, especially in comparison to the Cooper AT3, Hankook ATM, or Michelin LTX AT2. I have the Destination on my 98 TJ, and they have been great. Although, that is a lot harder to tell road noise and such on compared to a WJ. I saw a couple if you have had both the Coopers and Hancooks so I am hoping gain some insight and infer how they all relate. Has anyone had multiples of the above? Anyone running the Destinations? Thanks in advance.
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Unread 10-05-2013, 10:57 PM   #284
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Michelins are a major ripoff--plain and simple. You can buy tires as good or better than them for nearly half the price. Firestone ATs are great. They don't get talked about much because what whole Ford-Firestone thing years back made some people super paranoid, and there are new tires that have been attracting all kinds of attention like the Coops and Hanks. The Firestones are a great value, and you really can't lose with them. I don't know how they perform in mud, but my GUESS is that they're not so good. They handle everything else very well. Some say they're ho-hum in snow, but that's not my experience, nor is it the experience of multiple people I know who all coincidentally plow snow with them. They were a top contender during my last tire decision, but I decided to try a tire I nor anyone I knew had tried before.
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Unread 10-05-2013, 11:15 PM   #285
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I've never had Firestone tires. They aren't sold in my local area.

I have read many user reviews of them. Many like them. Some don't. The people who didn't like them complained about poor traction on Winter roads. That makes sense to me since they don't appear to have enough sipes, IMO.

Perhaps someone who has driven these tires on packed snow or ice can comment on that?

I doubt they'd do well in mud. That's my guess from looking at tread pics. I've never seen a mud review of Firestone AT.
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