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Unread 07-09-2007, 11:47 PM   #211
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I cant even imagine how some of you run 3.07`s and 33`s. Your 4 low must be like my 4 hi which is worthless in the rocks.
hit that nail right on the head... which is why it's a good thing that all my wheeling counts on tire speed to perform successfully.

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Unread 07-10-2007, 02:27 PM   #212
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I got to see these in person when I went to go buy my tires. I didn't think it was possible to have a mixture of A/T and M/T, but Cooper did it.

What makes this tire a "Mud Tire" are how deep the lugs are. I looked at the Cooper ST side by side with a BFG A/T (which I considered at the time the most aggressive A/T, and found that the only difference seems to be a bit bigger lugs, a little less siping, yet a deep tread. This is a good combo that I would recommend anyone. In all honesty the pics don't do it justice. It's much more aggressive in person, much more aggressive than the BFG A/T. The one that I saw was a 31" size...just imagine something bigger.

So if you really want an M/T but still want excellent road characteristics, you really should put this Cooper ST in your top spot of consideration. If you don't think it's aggressive enough (like I did before), go see one in person.

At this time I went and bought the Cooper STTs, since they're a bit more aggressive than the ST. However the ST would probably be my second choice. Yet, I think that the Cooper STT is one of the sexiest tires out there, and I can't wait to mount it to the jeep (in a couple weeks). It also took very little weight to balance. I think the stock 'Get-Stuck-Anywhere' tires took more weight to balance. Here's a pic:



That is a 33x12.50R15 size. And they're amazing in person. I love 'em already.
Not to be nit-picky, but just so nobody orders the wrong set of tires those are the discoverer STT, which are considered a mud-terrain (and great tires i might add), and cooper also makes an ST Which actually is an all-terrain, the tread is much less aggressive than the stt, also a great tire though.
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Unread 07-20-2007, 12:37 AM   #213
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hit that nail right on the head... which is why it's a good thing that all my wheeling counts on tire speed to perform successfully.
Mud whompin, pedal to the metal style?
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Unread 07-20-2007, 09:58 AM   #214
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Mud whompin, pedal to the metal style?
and sand... need momentum and some wheel speed for that
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Unread 07-25-2007, 09:00 PM   #215
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Maxxis Bighorn update:

I've ran them 6000 miles now. I rotate every 3000 miles. I took a measurement with a tread guage today. They read 17/32. New, they are 19/32. I have 5 of them and rotate in my spare. Spare reads 18/32.
I have no complaints at all, I still love them. The Jeep is my DD/weekend warrior. Bighorns are 33x12.5x15's. Just thought I'd share.

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Unread 07-26-2007, 12:17 AM   #216
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Correct on all counts but while the MT/Rs were not designed for mud, they're much better in mud than rumor indicates they are. They have a wide open tread design that clears just fine with proper tire spin. The MT/R's main forte is how well it does on rocks plus its exceptional sidewall strength but it still does ok in mud. But if you do do mostly mud, then of course there are better tires for mud than the MT/R.
Sorry, but due to my last experience with these, I must disagree. This may be true for the California mud, but here in La, on our last rainy trip, they were almost the worst tire out there. With two vehicles, they absolutely would clog up and not clear out with any tire spin. Also, they would not hook up to go up a hill like the other treads out there. We were doing a good amount of strapping in one spot that day (it was done raining, but was still extremely slick) and both times we had to use Jeeps with MT/Rs, we tried them repeatedly then had to get them out of the way in favor of Jeeps that could get better traction. Even my stocker with the 31" STTs cleaned out and performed better. The only tire that didn't fair better than them was the stock tires on a FJ Cruiser. The other FJ had Bridgestone Revos and it did much better over the same terrain. Of course, we don't have much rocks this far south, but as far as mud and trail riding goes in this region, I would agree that there are many other tires I would choose over the MT/R.
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Unread 07-30-2007, 04:34 PM   #217
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Try searching for "32x11.5" in this forum. You'll get alot of hits on different brands and which are affordable. Kumho makes a 32" tire if i'm correct and they are affordable, yet very good tire.
Kumho Road Venture MT KL71, 32x11.50-15 here.

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Side view, in action. Dem dere side lugs ain't no bling-bling. Grip like claws


Like the STT, they're a ncie combination of MT and AT, with more emphasis on MT mud clearing. The only medium I have not tried them on is snow and ice. The image that TireRack uses for their product page is sorely lacking. Does absolutely no justice to the tire.
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Unread 08-10-2007, 01:17 PM   #218
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i have kumhos too!

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Unread 08-10-2007, 02:28 PM   #219
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Not to be nit-picky, but just so nobody orders the wrong set of tires those are the discoverer STT, which are considered a mud-terrain (and great tires i might add), and cooper also makes an ST Which actually is an all-terrain, the tread is much less aggressive than the stt, also a great tire though.
I said these were STTs in my post. You can read it on the sidewall.

Sorry for any confusion though.

But if I had to pick an all terrain, I would pick the Cooper ST over the BFG just for tread depth.

Here's an update on the STTs concerning rain:

I've gotten caught up in a few HUGE rain storms here the last few weeks and these tires out performed my old stock wrangler GSAs. The storms caused flash flooding in my area (which is rare for colorado), and I went through some deep water and didn't slide around at all. My old wrangler GSAs would have hydroplaned. So far these tires have been better in all areas I've tested them. Naturally, off road they've been great.

Once winter comes around, and I get into some snow I'll report in on how well they do considering how hard it is to find experience from others who drive M/Ts in snow.

Feel free to PM me with any questions.
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Unread 08-14-2007, 05:51 PM   #220
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Well after reading all 15 pages twice, and from personal experience....... I have concluded that the very best all around tires are cooper stt, interco thornbirds, swamper trxus, MTRs, Kumhos, bridgestone duelers, and winterforce.
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Unread 08-14-2007, 07:10 PM   #221
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Well after reading all 15 pages twice, and from personal experience....... I have concluded that the very best all around tires are cooper stt, interco thornbirds, swamper trxus, MTRs, Kumhos, bridgestone duelers, and winterforce.
????????? thornbirds???? and where's bfg?

not trying to diss ya, but the thornbirds really threw me off, from what i hear they are the most worthless tires out there. and as far as BFG muds, i personally think that they are one of the best all around mud tires... they performed awesome on the road (except wet), they are really quiet on the road, they wear well, and off road they will run with anything but swampers.

like i say not trying to diss ya, just confused by your conclusion.
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Unread 08-15-2007, 04:19 PM   #222
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No confusion here, if you could have seen the places that the thornbirds took me to and got me out of, you would buy some. Same places with the bfg tkos got stuck almost immediately and had to be pulled out. Bfgs are worthless.
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Unread 08-15-2007, 09:10 PM   #223
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No confusion here, if you could have seen the places that the thornbirds took me to and got me out of, you would buy some. Same places with the bfg tkos got stuck almost immediately and had to be pulled out. Bfgs are worthless.
the BFG T/A KO's are all terrains, not mud terrains though. when in sloppy sticky mud the T/A KO's will pack up really fast and become worthless. the T/A KM is not like the T/A KO in this case.
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Unread 08-16-2007, 05:33 PM   #224
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I meant the mud terrain. The names are so close! lol
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Unread 09-02-2007, 03:55 PM   #225
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not a lot of people have talked about Maxxis Bighorns can anyone review? and i know this is a newb question but what is sipping?
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