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post #16 of 37 Old 07-12-2010, 03:02 PM
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and wheels are balanced within 0.25 oz or less typically...if the thickness isn't perfectly even you'll never get the wheels to balance right.
I way overshot 16 ounces. I would say you need 50 ml per wheel, which is roughly 1.5 ounces but because bed liner weighs more, double that and you get about 3 ounces a wheel. I agree that it will cause balancing issues but that's not enough weight to create enough unsprung weight in the drivetrain to matter.

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Don't paint. Aluminum doesn't take paint very well, there's a special process for getting it to stick. Sure they clear coat Aluminum all the time, but that's under controlled conditions and they've work at it for a while.

Steel rims I would paint in a heart beat, maybe not with a bed liner, but it can be done and as long as you can lay it fairly even, I don't think you'll have a balance problem.

Check your local adds and look around. Steel rims are a dime a dozen.
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I don't suggest doing this, but to say it's going to add unsprung weight is a bit ridiculous. Your only looking At maybe 3-4 ounces a wheel , at the most.
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and wheels are balanced within 0.25 oz or less typically...if the thickness isn't perfectly even you'll never get the wheels to balance right.


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So in the first half of your post you say its rediculous it would add weight, but then you say it adds weight. Then you change your post from 16oz to 3-4oz. after Unlimited04 called you out. Do you know what your talking about? Unlimited04 is right on. If its more than .25oz you will feel it.

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Don't paint. Aluminum doesn't take paint very well, there's a special process for getting it to stick. Sure they clear coat Aluminum all the time, but that's under controlled conditions and they've work at it for a while.

Steel rims I would paint in a heart beat, maybe not with a bed liner, but it can be done and as long as you can lay it fairly even, I don't think you'll have a balance problem.

Check your local adds and look around. Steel rims are a dime a dozen.
Use a self etching primer.

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I way overshot 16 ounces. I would say you need 50 ml per wheel, which is roughly 1.5 ounces but because bed liner weighs more, double that and you get about 3 ounces a wheel. I agree that it will cause balancing issues but that's not enough weight to create enough unsprung weight in the drivetrain to matter.
Any unsprung weight matters. The main point here is the wheels would not be able to be balanced.

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Ever thought of how tough it's going to be to clean those rims?
Right on ^^.

Also, how fugly would bedlined rims look? Uhgg. I'm feeling ill. Blarrrffff.

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Right on ^^.

Also, how fugly would bedlined rims look? Uhgg. I'm feeling ill. Blarrrffff.
Looks are subjective. But cleaning mud off bedliner is next to impossible. The rims will look dirty even after hours of scrubbing!
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Use a self etching primer.
On ferrous metals, self etching works fine, aluminum is not the same. They make a special etching solution for aluminum. Aluminum forms an oxide that protects it from corrosion, that also keeps paint from sticking. You have to remove this first, passivate and then paint with a primer made for adhesion to aluminum. It's tricky.........
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So in the first half of your post you say its rediculous it would add weight, but then you say it adds weight. Then you change your post from 16oz to 3-4oz. after Unlimited04 called you out. Do you know what your talking about? Unlimited04 is right on. If its more than .25oz you will feel it.
Sorry for the confusion, I was going off visualization but when I realized 16 ounces was equal to one pound, thats when I went out into the garage and looked at a paint measuring cup. That is why I modified it, then explained in a later post.

Like I have said, I agree it will cause balancing issues but an added 3 or 4 ounces a wheel isn't going to be noticeable.
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Use a self etching primer.

That stuff wont stick to it any better than water based paint. Etching primer has acid in it, Which seeps in and protects the steel meant to be sprayed on. It will make for a big mess it you put it on aluminum. It will pool and never be consistent, Unless your talking store bought cheap stuff thats "says" etching but is just green primer.

If you paint or bed line your wheels it will dull and flake off in less than a year. I used to use the duplicolor bed liner for everything, But it dont hold color and chips and cracks as soon as the sun hits it a few times. Its best purpose is for a jeep is on your cage, Tub and chassis.

Have you ever used this stuff? More than one can consistently spraying? I have and the pattern, Spray volume and tips are always different. One can will lay nice and textured and the other can will flow it smooth and it will run.

If you do decide to use it on your wheels, Keep you can 10+ inches away from the wheel and dont go back over to touch up, Thats where you will have heavy spots, Wait for the next pass. Use a black primer so when it chips it dont look as bad.

When your done lining them, Take the wheels and have them balanced alone. Then have your tires mounted and balanced. But only bad thing is, Every time you want to touch them up, You will have to break them down to re-coat them and balance them again. Too much time and effort for something that might last a wheeling trip. IMO rattle can them or powder coat them. Good luck

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unless you hammered one spot of the rims w/ undercoat or w/e your using it won't screw w/ your balance much, getting the balance of your wheels checked afterwords is not a bad idea, if i was to undercoat my rims i would check the balance one day after work but i wouldn't undercoat them for the fact that undercoat is impossible to clean and after having exposure to dirt and salt and all that **** it never looks the same...think of it this way too, if you did undercoat and didn't balance them you most likely couldn't notice a difference in ride, its a jeep not a mercedes or some other gay car, these things ride rough from the moment they are delivered to the dealer...trust me, they don't ride bad but its not perfect and it doesn't bug me any...either way its your jeep but i wouldn't worry about balancing unless you personally felt a difference in it and i wouldn't undercoat my rims...rustoleum is a wonderful product.

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That stuff wont stick to it any better than water based paint. Etching primer has acid in it, Which seeps in and protects the steel meant to be sprayed on. It will make for a big mess it you put it on aluminum. It will pool and never be consistent, Unless your talking store bought cheap stuff thats "says" etching but is just green primer.

Aluminum Self-Etching primer. Used it many times and does none of what you claim it will do. This was suggested by a local body shop.


Here you go boss:

Amazon.com: SEM Paints (SEM39683) Self Etching Primer - Gray: Home Improvement

Or here:

http://semproducts.com/Catalog.asp?prod=139

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Aluminum siding primer, You gonna use a Wagner to apply it too?

I can see where it would be helpful, But if you sandblast an aluminum wheel, It goes porous and regular primer can be used or straight to paint after wiped down with solvent. Never failed yet and never any touch ups needed. But no reason to waste extra money on wheels that will see mud and rocks off road. Keeping the corrosion protected is the best thing you could do. To each his own

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Aluminum siding primer, You gonna use a Wagner to apply it too?

I can see where it would be helpful, But if you sandblast an aluminum wheel, It goes porous and regular primer can be used or straight to paint after wiped down with solvent. Never failed yet and never any touch ups needed. But no reason to waste extra money on wheels that will see mud and rocks off road. Keeping the corrosion protected is the best thing you could do. To each his own

Nope just the spray can it comes in smart guy.

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