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Unread 12-27-2013, 08:29 PM   #2086
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They also weigh a decent amount more. Rolling mass is important to many areas, less is more

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Unread 12-28-2013, 08:59 PM   #2087
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Uh-huh. People that care about weight or rolling resistance are looking for mpg's. The same people who should not have bought a Jeep in the first place.
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Unread 12-28-2013, 09:06 PM   #2088
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Uh-huh. People that care about weight or rolling resistance are looking for mpg's. The same people who should not have bought a Jeep in the first place.
Would those be the same people who buy aluminum armor to save weight?

My Duratrac's treated me just as good in Moab as my MTRk's did, but wore a whole lot better on the way there and back, and since my TJ is never going to be a trailer queen I need to find something that wears well and gives offroad performance. Now I'm not saying Duratracs are better than Toyo's....since I haven't tried both, but they are, thus far, holding up well and suiting my needs. I do however still have a place in my heart for TrXus MT's.
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Unread 12-28-2013, 09:13 PM   #2089
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Uh-huh. People that care about weight or rolling resistance are looking for mpg's. The same people who should not have bought a Jeep in the first place.
If you think weight is just about mpgs you need to get out more.
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Unread 12-28-2013, 09:22 PM   #2090
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I digress. At first I thought the Duratracs were great as well. But not being one to follow the crowd, I went a different route this time. I am glad I did. The Toyos are heavier but mileage improved, wet traction is better, absolutely no hydroplaning, and forward progress in mud is at least the same if not better.
To top it off, they were $42 each cheaper the the Duratracs.
Win-win all around.
Oh, and read the first line of my sig.
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Unread 12-28-2013, 09:22 PM   #2091
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I like you're heart Really like mine but it's not a DD. I tried my hardest to like the MTR's but after Discount Tire could only find 6 round ones out of 8 I gave up and they replaced them with the Truxus MT's at my request. Haven't been happier.




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Would those be the same people who buy aluminum armor to save weight?

My Duratrac's treated me just as good in Moab as my MTRk's did, but wore a whole lot better on the way there and back, and since my TJ is never going to be a trailer queen I need to find something that wears well and gives offroad performance. Now I'm not saying Duratracs are better than Toyo's....since I haven't tried both, but they are, thus far, holding up well and suiting my needs. I do however still have a place in my heart for TrXus MT's.
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Unread 12-28-2013, 09:28 PM   #2092
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I digress. At first I thought the Duratracs were great as well. But not being one to follow the crowd, I went a different route this time. I am glad I did. The Toyos are heavier but mileage improved, wet traction is better, absolutely no hydroplaning, and forward progress in mud is at least the same if not better.
To top it off, they were $42 each cheaper the the Duratracs.
Win-win all around.
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I like you're heart Really like mine but it's not a DD. I tried my hardest to like the MTR's but after Discount Tire could only find 6 round ones out of 8 I gave up and they replaced them with the Truxus MT's at my request. Haven't been happier.

When I hit stage 3 of my build I just may be going back to TrXus MT's.
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Unread 12-29-2013, 02:43 PM   #2093
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Uh-huh. People that care about weight or rolling resistance are looking for mpg's. The same people who should not have bought a Jeep in the first place.
heavier tires/rims hurt in a few ways
every pound of unsprung weight is roughly equal to 7 lbs of body weight
20lb heavier tires x 4 = 80lbs x 7 = 560lbs thats not a small difference

then you have added leverage stressing brakes and steering components

and yes, mpg simply due to less rolling mass to start and stop

mpg is a by product, but a nice one
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Unread 01-29-2014, 05:49 PM   #2094
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I do however still have a place in my heart for TrXus MT's.
I wish they still made the TrXus MT in 255x85R16. I like the Duratrac for its lighter weight and ability in the desert terrain.


"Originally Posted by jimk403 View Post - Uh-huh. People that care about weight or rolling resistance are looking for mpg's. The same people who should not have bought a Jeep in the first place."

Don't you just hate people that buy a jeep then add big tires and lots of weight then complain they can't get over 65mph in high gear and have poorer mpg. My jeep will go 80+, proved it on the way to Moab one year, but last couple of years I have not gone over 60 mph on payment but have exceeded 65mph out in the west desert over washboard roads. Sorry jimk403 should I care about MPG, maybe? I could tanker some extra fuel but this takes up room and the extra weight might reduce my mpg. Heaven forbid. Weight and rolling resistance can be important for various reasons. The Duratrac being lighter may have been made to fulfill this purpose. They seem to be quite popular for some reason. A low powered engine along with a heavier weighted vehicle is just asking for lower performance and the tires can make some of the biggest difference in its ability. Maybe you are right jimk403 they should of bought a Supercharged Range Rover Sport instead. I'm not sure what this has to do with Duratrac tires though.

As far as "E" rated tires, my OE MTR's road fairly good at 20psi street or 10psi off road (cold). After 30K miles I had only slightly more wear on the outside lugs. I've only lost one valve stem during this time, caused by the Moab rocks, but no flats, lost beads or sidewall failures. I assume the "E" rated Duratrac would be similar or even better with its tread wear than the old MTR's and ride about as rough.
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Unread 01-29-2014, 09:05 PM   #2095
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Unread 03-01-2014, 02:37 PM   #2096
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I heard rumors on another site that someone was having trouble getting the Wrangler Duratrac from a Sears Store. Has anyone heard of anyone else having trouble getting the Duratrac in the size they wanted? He was after the 31x10.5x15 size or something close to this. I think the 245 & 265x75R16 size is still quite popular and available.
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Unread 03-01-2014, 03:21 PM   #2097
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Uh-huh. People that care about weight or rolling resistance are looking for mpg's. The same people who should not have bought a Jeep in the first place.
Rotating mass also affects braking and acceleration a lot.

Also, wheel/tire weight is also unsprung weight, which affects ride quality, handling, and traction when driving faster than a crawl.

Increases rotating mass and unsprung weight increases parts wear and breakage.

And yes, rotating mass also affects gas mileage too.
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Unread 03-02-2014, 05:42 AM   #2098
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I heard rumors on another site that someone was having trouble getting the Wrangler Duratrac from a Sears Store. Has anyone heard of anyone else having trouble getting the Duratrac in the size they wanted? He was after the 31x10.5x15 size or something close to this. I think the 265x75R16 size is still quite popular and available.
The Goodyear store in my area is able to get the 31x10.50x15 (their warehouse has them in stock), but the salesman told me that they are discontinuing the 31x10.50x15. I can't imagine it's true since that is a popular size and they already offer it, but that's what he told me.

I just ordered a set on 31x10.50's online (the local store was about 40% more expensive). Hopefully I have no problems getting them.
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Unread 03-02-2014, 02:34 PM   #2099
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When you buy tires online, who mounts and balances them? Who does your alignment?
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When you buy tires online, who mounts and balances them? Who does your alignment?
Your local tire shop. I got rims at the same time and tire rack mounted them and balanced them before shipment.

I would never pay someone to align a tj
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