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Unread 11-15-2013, 07:40 PM   #91
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I weighed myself holding an Icon, then weighed just myself, then subtracted. Icon weighs 21 lbs (according to my scale).

I did same with a Moab in the past (same scale). Moab weighs 25 lbs (according to my scale)

I did same with Jeep Alcoa Rocky Mountain Edition (forged) in the past (same scale). It weighs 20.5 lbs (according to my scale).

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Unread 11-16-2013, 09:53 AM   #92
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Awww yea

Woohoo!

I finally found a set of 6 Eccos to go look at, I can take the best 4 or all 6. The best part is no wheels so I can ghetto paint them before mounting some.................. hmmm, what will I mount on there?

I did like those Terra Trac AT II's I just looked at.

However, no center caps.

Anyone know a cheap place to find them?
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Unread 11-16-2013, 01:08 PM   #93
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Just to add my .02,

I weighed my Moab wheel with 315/75/16 cooper at3 tire and it was just under 90 lbs- 89 to be exact.

I just recently got 35x12.50x15 BFg tires which weight 54: pro comp alloy 15x8 flat black wheels at 15 lbs each.

So by loosing a alloy USA wheel spacer at each wheel: 4 lbs each, and going to a new lighter wheel tire set up I lost approx. 24 lbs at each corner, roughly 100 lbs total!

The 4 cyl definitely appreciates the loss! It's sad because I think the moabs are the best looking wheels ever but for my needs this was a smarter and better solution.

I have read that every pound of unspung weight is about 8-10 pounds of spurg weight lost so my old set was like driving around with 800+ pounds depending in which ratio you choose to believe.

Long live the moabs but they are robust alum wheels.
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Unread 11-16-2013, 02:53 PM   #94
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Just to add my .02,

I weighed my Moab wheel with 315/75/16 cooper at3 tire and it was just under 90 lbs- 89 to be exact.

I just recently got 35x12.50x15 BFg tires which weight 54: pro comp alloy 15x8 flat black wheels at 15 lbs each.

So by loosing a alloy USA wheel spacer at each wheel: 4 lbs each, and going to a new lighter wheel tire set up I lost approx. 24 lbs at each corner, roughly 100 lbs total!

The 4 cyl definitely appreciates the loss! It's sad because I think the moabs are the best looking wheels ever but for my needs this was a smarter and better solution.

I have read that every pound of unspung weight is about 8-10 pounds of spurg weight lost so my old set was like driving around with 800+ pounds depending in which ratio you choose to believe.

Long live the moabs but they are robust alum wheels.
That is a lot of weight savings! Kudos.

I'm only running 30x9.5 and I'll be able to save about 9-11 lbs at the hot corner, depending upon where the Ecco comes in at for lbs. Shedding 44lbs will be nice.
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Unread 11-16-2013, 11:16 PM   #95
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Woohoo!

I finally found a set of 6 Eccos to go look at, I can take the best 4 or all 6. The best part is no wheels so I can ghetto paint them before mounting some.................. hmmm, what will I mount on there?

I did like those Terra Trac AT II's I just looked at.

However, no center caps.

Anyone know a cheap place to find them?
Get all 6. Then you have one for spare tire and can do a 5 tire rotation, and have the 6th left over for a spare in case a wheel gets damaged in future.

Ghetto paint if you want, but I think Eccos look awesome stock.
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Unread 11-17-2013, 12:58 PM   #96
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Just to add my .02,

I weighed my Moab wheel with 315/75/16 cooper at3 tire and it was just under 90 lbs- 89 to be exact.

I just recently got 35x12.50x15 BFg tires which weight 54: pro comp alloy 15x8 flat black wheels at 15 lbs each.

So by loosing a alloy USA wheel spacer at each wheel: 4 lbs each, and going to a new lighter wheel tire set up I lost approx. 24 lbs at each corner, roughly 100 lbs total!

The 4 cyl definitely appreciates the loss! It's sad because I think the moabs are the best looking wheels ever but for my needs this was a smarter and better solution.

I have read that every pound of unspung weight is about 8-10 pounds of spurg weight lost so my old set was like driving around with 800+ pounds depending in which ratio you choose to believe.

Long live the moabs but they are robust alum wheels.
Moabs were made heavy duty to be used with the equally heavy duty MTR for Offroad use on the 4.0L Rubicon.

Just a heads up - 15x8 is not within the recommended width range of 8.5-11", which BFG specifies for the 35x12.5-15LT T/A KO tire. If it were me, I'd go with one of the Pro Comp Extreme 15x10s, which would only be insignificantly heavier.
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Unread 11-17-2013, 05:26 PM   #97
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BTW - back spacing vs tire clearance is relative to wheel width.

For example, an 8" wide wheel with 5.5 BS gives 0.25" MORE tire clearance than a 7" wide wheel with 5.25" BS.

Why? Easiest to explain by examples.

A 15 x 8 with X" BS will have 0.5" more clearance between swaybar and LCAs than a 15 x 7 with X" BS because the 1" wider wheel pulls the inner edge of tire out 0.5".

Moabs are 16 x 8 with 5" BS. So they offer quite a bit of tire clearance to swaybar and LCAs.

An 8" wide wheel with 5" BS offers same tire clearance (to swaybar and LCAs) as a 7" wide wheel with 4.5" BS.
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Unread 11-17-2013, 08:26 PM   #98
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BTW - back spacing vs tire clearance is relative to wheel width.

For example, an 8" wide wheel with 5.5 BS gives 0.25" MORE tire clearance than a 7" wide wheel with 5.25" BS.

Why? Easiest to explain by examples.

A 15 x 8 with X" BS will have 0.5" more clearance between swaybar and LCAs than a 15 x 7 with X" BS because the 1" wider wheel pulls the inner edge of tire out 0.5".

Moabs are 16 x 8 with 5" BS. So they offer quite a bit of tire clearance to swaybar and LCAs.

An 8" wide wheel with 5" BS offers same tire clearance (to swaybar and LCAs) as a 7" wide wheel with 4.5" BS.
Jeep should have provided a forged alum 16x7 with 4.5" BS for the Rubicon instead of the Moab, since 7" is the perfect width for the LT245/75-16, and 8" is really too wide for the narrow 245 tire.
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Unread 11-17-2013, 10:11 PM   #99
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Jeep should have provided a forged alum 16x7 with 4.5" BS for the Rubicon instead of the Moab, since 7" is the perfect width for the LT245/75-16, and 8" is really too wide for the narrow 245 tire.
That is true, if Jeep really intended people to use 245/75R16 tires on Rubicon TJ, but I think Jeep provided that wheel knowing larger and wider tires would be used on it. A 265/75R16 load C is ideal on a Moab and fits a stock Rubicon with little or no lift.

That or maybe Jeep screwed up like you said.

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Edited in Later: A 16 x 7 with 5.25" BS would have enough tire clearance for 245/75R16 on a TJ, and there would be minimal strain on wheel bearings. So really TJ Rubis should have come with Icon or Silverstar, if 245/75R16 is the tire Jeep really intended.

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TJ non-Rubis often came with 30 x 9.5 R15 on 15 x 8. That is a mismatch IMO. A 30 x 9.5 R15 is best on a 15 x 7, and a 31 x 10.5 R15 is best on a 15 x 8. So what was Jeep thinking? It's possible they make mistakes.

As for forged, those are strongest and lighter than steel, but are EXPENSIVE, and unnecessary for most off roaders. Only the most brutal high speed (racing) off road adventures need forged wheels. The vast majority of Jeeps will never be used that fast and hard.

Also, there is one possible downside of forged wheels. AFAIK no forged wheels are hubcentric.
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Unread 11-19-2013, 12:58 PM   #100
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Center Caps

How Universal are the center caps for the aluminum wheels?

I scored some Ecco rims sans caps and am struggling a bit to find replacements. They are all over e-bay and even found a road side collector of things that has a set. Some have black lettering, some don't some are plain I don;t really care the style too much just curious how to sort this out.

Are there basically 2 sizes fits all over the years?
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Unread 11-19-2013, 02:50 PM   #101
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How Universal are the center caps for the aluminum wheels?

I scored some Ecco rims sans caps and am struggling a bit to find replacements. They are all over e-bay and even found a road side collector of things that has a set. Some have black lettering, some don't some are plain I don;t really care the style too much just curious how to sort this out.

Are there basically 2 sizes fits all over the years?
http://www.hubcaps.org/wrangler.html
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Unread 11-19-2013, 03:17 PM   #102
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Ahh Ha! That helps a bit thanks. Now if only those who listed items for sale on CL/e-bay and the like knew what they had.

However, I didn't pay that much for rims, who buys from that site? Ca-razy.
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Unread 11-19-2013, 11:19 PM   #103
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I recently bought Icon wheels in good shape, but I like my Ecco wheels and 30 x 9.5 R15 tire size so much that I might never use the Icons. I'm leaning towards continuing using my Eccos forever and keeping on using 30 x 9.5 R15 tires forever. Though next time I might try a different tire brand.
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Unread 12-09-2013, 08:16 PM   #104
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I just weighed an Ecco wheel.

Reads 18 lbs on my bathroom scale.

I weighed myself, then I weighed myself holding the wheel. Then I subtracted. That is as accurate a method as possible with a bathroom (spring) scale.

I estimate true weight is somewhere between 17.5 & 18.5.
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Unread 12-09-2013, 08:28 PM   #105
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i like the 8 inch rim over the 10 due to the bead being able to stay on longer vs the wider wheel.
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