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Unread 06-24-2013, 06:43 AM   #31
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Good to know, but I prefer aluminum wheels (Icon) because they look better and IMO give better gas mileage than steel wheels.
True Charley they are an groovy wheel, and you'll squeeze a little more MPG for sure!

I recommended winter steelies because of the BS is 4.75 to 5, depending on where you purchase them from!

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Unread 06-24-2013, 01:52 PM   #32
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I recommended winter steelies because of the BS is 4.75 to 5, depending on where you purchase them from!
Really? That is attractive BS. Are those stock Jeep wheels or aftermarket?
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Unread 06-25-2013, 04:11 AM   #33
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Some later XJs. Possibly some TJs?

I think some later ZJs.

I don't think any KJs because the KJ is ( I read somewhere) front wheel drive (when in 2wd) and always uses 16x7 with 5.5 BS because that is what is needed for its front wheel drive.

Ecco, Grizzly, Icon and other 15 x 7 and 16 x 7 wheels for rear wheel drive XJ, ZJ, TJ are always 5.25 BS, IMO. That's in regard to 7" wide wheels for those models of rear wheel drive Jeeps.
My 2001 TJ came with Icon from the factory.
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Unread 07-13-2013, 02:12 AM   #34
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Unread 01-18-2016, 02:36 AM   #35
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American Racing Ansen Sprint 15 x 8 with 4.5 BS isn't a stock wheel, but it's a great wheel for a XJ, ZJ, TJ with larger and wider than stock tires. It works really well for 33 x 10.5 R15 tires, which was my setup I had on my LJ I used to have. It had way more than enough tire clearance during turns with 33 x 10.5 R15. It would also work great with 32 x 11.5 R15 tires. I'm not sure if it'd work with 33 x 12.5 R15 tires.

I weighed the AR Ansen Sprint 15 x 8 wheel and it weighs 18.5 lbs. That's pretty light for a 15 x 8 wheel and it's a strong design with a cool retro look.

The only downside to this wheel is it is bare aluminum. Solution to prevent corrosion: paint it.
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Unread 01-18-2016, 02:51 AM   #36
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See my wheels weight update at bottom of this post:

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Jeep alloy 5x4.5 pattern wheels with 71.5 mm center bore
  • 5 Slot 15x6 unknown BS (probably 4.25)
  • Turbine 15x7 5.25 BS
  • Lace 15x7 5.25 BS
  • 5 Star 15x7 5.25 BS
  • 10-hole 15x7 5.25 BS
  • Teardrop 15x7 5.25 BS
  • Ecco 15x7 5.25 BS ~19 lbs
  • Grizzly 15x7 5.25 BS ~19 lbs
  • Canyon 15x8 5.5 BS ~20 lbs
  • Ravine 15x8 5.5 BS ~17-18 lbs
  • Gambler 15x8? 5.5 BS
  • TJ Moab 16x8 5 BS ~25.5 lbs
  • Icon 16x7 5.25 BS ~21 lbs
  • ZJ Timberline (aka Snowflake) 16x? 5.25 BS
  • TSI 16x7? 5.25 BS
  • Silver/Ultra star (ZJ 5.9) 16x7 5.25 BS ~20-21 lbs
  • No info on early ZJ 5 slanted spoke wheels.
  • Unknown name KJ wheel 16x7 unknown BS (prolly 5.5) ~24 lbs
  • Unknown name KJ wheel 16x7 unknown BS (prolly 5.5) ~24 lbs
  • Unknown name KJ wheel 16x7 unknown BS (prolly 5.5) ~24 lbs
  • Unknown name KJ wheel 17x7.5 unknown BS (prolly 5.5)
Update on OEM wheel weights...

I weighed an Icon and got 21 lbs. A JF member named Ed209 weighed a Silverstar and got 20.5 lbs. So they weigh the same or approx same. The difference might just be that we each used our own bathroom scales, which might read a bit different.

Also, I have confirmed that Icon wheels came on late model years of XJ, ZJ, KJ, and TJ.

I confirmed that Ecco are 19 lbs by weighing one.

I weighed a Ravine wheel and my scale says 20 lbs, not 18 lbs. Mschi, you might want to weigh a Ravine and let us know your results. Canyon weigh 20 lbs so it makes sense that Ravine do too, plus my scale said so. Please weight a Ravine on your scale to double check me.

I weighed a 15 x 8 Jeep Alcoa wheel (Rocky Mountain Edition and 60th Anniversary Edition). It's 18 lbs.

I weighed Moab 16 x 8 wheel and it's 25 lbs on my scale.

I'd like to see someone make a comprehensive OEM wheel thread that includes pictures and measurements/specs, including BS and weight. No one has ever done that before including weight. Sounds like a job for super-Mschi. Well either that, or Mschi could update one of his existing old wheel threads with all the BS and weight measurements possible, and request members contribute to it by measuring BS and weighing any wheels not available to Mschi or myself.
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Unread 01-18-2016, 04:12 PM   #37
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I'll update weights. Many of those weights were not 100%. Just internet hearsay, but I trust you as a source more than whatever random internet guys post I dug up before.
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Unread 01-18-2016, 06:30 PM   #38
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I'll update weights. Many of those weights were not 100%. Just internet hearsay, but I trust you as a source more than whatever random internet guys post I dug up before.
PS - I weighed a MOAB 16 x 8 wheel and it is 25 lbs. That's pretty hefty for an aluminum wheel.
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PS - I weighed a MOAB 16 x 8 wheel and it is 25 lbs. That's pretty hefty for an aluminum wheel.
It is because the Moab is forged aluminum. All the others are cast. The Moab is a stronger wheel as a result.
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It is because the Moab is forged aluminum. All the others are cast. The Moab is a stronger wheel as a result.
Really? I never heard that before. How do you know its forged?

I know the Alcoa wheels are forged, but I never heard that about Moab before.
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Unread 01-19-2016, 05:33 AM   #41
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I don't even remember how I know anymore, but I know it and have no doubt. To be specific, it is the 16" TJ Moab that is forged. I believe the 17" JK Moabs are cast.
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Unread 01-19-2016, 03:35 PM   #42
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Huh, actually the 16 x 8 Moab were either 25 or 25.5 lbs on my scale. It's hard to read a half pound on a bathroom scale. Maybe they weight 25.25 lbs, if it matters. I doubt anyone cares about a quarter of a pound plus or minus.
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Huh, actually the 16 x 8 Moab were either 25 or 25.5 lbs on my scale. It's hard to read a half pound on a bathroom scale. Maybe they weight 25.25 lbs, if it matters. I doubt anyone cares about a quarter of a pound plus or minus.
Yeah, the moral of the story seems to be that 15" cast is about 19 lb +/- 1.

16" cast seems to add roughly 2 lb +/- 1.

Forged seems to be about 4-5 lb heavier.


There doesn't seem to be very much variation in the weights of the factory wheels--lots of common sense stuff: 15's are lighter than 16's; cast is lighter than forged.
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Yeah, the moral of the story seems to be that 15" cast is about 19 lb +/- 1.

16" cast seems to add roughly 2 lb +/- 1.

Forged seems to be about 4-5 lb heavier.


There doesn't seem to be very much variation in the weights of the factory wheels--lots of common sense stuff: 15's are lighter than 16's; cast is lighter than forged.
That sounds correct as a general statement, but the 15" forged is lighter than 15" cast. So that doesn't fit your general statement, but other than that I agree.

15 x 8 Jeep Alcoa (forged) wheels weigh 18 lbs, which makes them lighter than most cast wheels. I owned some Jeep Alcoa wheels and weighed them. I've owned and weighed all the wheels I gave weights for.
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Just a random personal commentary:

Alcoa's are nice wheels from an engineering/tech standpoint, but they've never appealed to me. I'm a slot, turbine, or spoke kind of guy when it comes to the XJ, but there isn't even a second thought in my head which wheels I'd want if I had a TJ. There is just something that "does it" for me about a TJ with Gamblers.
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