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Unread 12-07-2013, 10:11 AM   #1
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Another tire question

Hi all. I just ordered some beadlock wheels and am researching tires. My wheeling consists of airing down and wheeling in deep snow in the winter and in the summer very abrasive solid lava rock trails. I currently have BFG KM2 tires and was going to get another set but am also looking at Terra Grapplers. The grapplers look like the sidewalls might give additional traction when aired down in the snow but it might be just bling. Any input is appreciated. Thanks

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Unread 12-07-2013, 10:53 AM   #2
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Guess I'm relegated to the tire forum where nobody ever looks and answers are seldom, thanks for nothing, I get your message, thought I'd try to post here again but guess it'll be another 6 months before I return to this forum if ever.
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Unread 12-07-2013, 11:13 AM   #3
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With that kind of wheeling, Id look into Irok's or Toyo m/t's. They seem to be great in the PNW wheeling elements. I don't know if the terra grappler would do anything, But the mud or trail grappler are good tires too.

If you will drive on road at all, The toyo's or the trail grapplers would be you're best bet. The extra width is what you need and toyo, Nitto mud's and Irok's fit the bill well. Good luck either way
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Unread 12-07-2013, 11:43 AM   #4
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I was going to respond, but looks like you won't be here to read it...
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Unread 12-08-2013, 10:19 AM   #5
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Unread 12-08-2013, 05:27 PM   #6
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I was going to respond, but looks like you won't be here to read it...
No, he said he's be back in six months, so I made a mental note to respond in May, 2014.
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Unread 12-09-2013, 12:22 PM   #7
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I didn't answer or post because I have no info for you.

Sorry.
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Unread 12-09-2013, 12:28 PM   #8
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No, he said he's be back in six months, so I made a mental note to respond in May, 2014.
You've got an opinion on everything. Sometimes right, often wrong, but always something.

Surely you can give the guy some advice. I don't know if it'd be correct advice, but surely you have something to say.

If he stumped you, it's OK. He asked stuff I don't know about either. The difference is I admit it. I don't know the answer to his question, but at least I'm not taking it out on him.

Please respond to this in 6 months.
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Unread 12-09-2013, 12:35 PM   #9
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You've got an opinion on everything. Sometimes right, often wrong, but always something.

Surely you can give the guy some advice. I don't know if it'd be correct advice, but surely you have something to say.

If he stumped you, it's OK. He asked stuff I don't know about either. The difference is I admit it. I don't know the answer to his question, but at least I'm not taking it out on him.
Haha! First, he whined about no one giving him and answer in what? 45 minutes? Then he insults the tire forum which should be close to your heart. Then Mark called him on his impatience and he said, what "Yup?"
He had his chance.

As for the substance of that question, wasn't it something about airing his beadlocked tires down in the snow for extra traction? I thought you would be all over that. One rare instance where I actually think you have it right.

I was trying for a response in six minutes, but could not type fast enough.
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Unread 12-09-2013, 01:40 PM   #10
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Haha! First, he whined about no one giving him and answer in what? 45 minutes? Then he insults the tire forum which should be close to your heart. Then Mark called him on his impatience and he said, what "Yup?"
He had his chance.

As for the substance of that question, wasn't it something about airing his beadlocked tires down in the snow for extra traction? I thought you would be all over that. One rare instance where I actually think you have it right.

I was trying for a response in six minutes, but could not type fast enough.
OK. You have some valid points there, but you were supposed to wait 6 months before replying in this thread again.

Anyway, what he wanted to know is if side lugs help in snow. My true response is I don't know, but I doubt it. Earlier I elected to say nothing because I don't know for sure.

I think side lugs might help in rock crawling and mud ruts. They may help slightly in mud in general, but I doubt it. They don't help in snow. I prefer small (or no) side lugs because then I can fit a larger tire without rubbing sway bar or LCAs during turns. I think running a size larger tire helps me more than side lugs would (but I'm not a rock crawler).

I would advise the OP that KM2 are widely reputed to be slick in Winter conditions. I know nothing about the other tire the OP asked about.
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Unread 12-09-2013, 03:02 PM   #11
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I think side lugs are mostly for show. I had some Swampers on my rig once and could regularly feel the lugs clipping the rock shelves without any noticeable effect on traction.
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Unread 12-09-2013, 04:37 PM   #12
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I think side lugs are mostly for show. I had some Swampers on my rig once and could regularly feel the lugs clipping the rock shelves without any noticeable effect on traction.
I agree that side lugs are mostly for show.

I don't have rock crawling experience, but I've done everything else in my younger days. I try to keep the adventures milder now that I'm old enough to know better, but I still have some fun.

I agree that IME side lugs are mostly for show in regard to mud. I'll defer to others regarding rocks.

For sand they are a detriment, IMO.

For anything else they're just for show.

They make it harder to fit big tires without rubbing sway bar or LCAs.

Also, large side lugs add weight, which I think is more fat than muscle.

When I buy tires, one of the things I prefer is small, modest side lugs. No side lugs is OK too.

My Cooper AT3 have no side lugs and they're way better in mud than BFG AT which has some side lugs.

The only situation I've seen side lugs help is when you fall into ruts and then you're trying to climb back out of the ruts. Like muddy ruts for example. In that situation, big side lugs can help you climb out of muddy ruts.

But without big side lugs I can fit a larger tire, which means it doesn't matter as much if I fall into ruts.

So that keeps me not wanting big side lugs. I think they are as much a detriment as a help for all purpose, all terrain wheeling, especially on a daily driver.

BTW - speaking of daily drivers, I think big side lugs make a lot of wind noise at highway speeds.
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Unread 12-09-2013, 05:04 PM   #13
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BTW - One of the 4 wheel drive magazines tested mud tires in mud bogs and concluded the Hankook MT was the best tire tested because it drove the farthest through the bog.

It has modest side lugs. It out performed many MT with large side lugs.
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Unread 12-09-2013, 05:24 PM   #14
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BTW - One of the 4 wheel drive magazines tested mud tires in mud bogs and concluded the Hankook MT was the best tire tested because it drove the farthest through the bog.

It has modest side lugs. It out performed many MT with large side lugs.
All that proves is that Hankook wrote the magazine a nice advertising check not long prior to the article.
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Unread 12-09-2013, 06:13 PM   #15
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All that proves is that Hankook wrote the magazine a nice advertising check not long prior to the article.
You sure are cynical, but you migh be right. I don't know.

What I do know is my Cooper AT3 has no side lugs at all, yet does very well in mud (for an AT). Better than other ATs that have some side lugs. I don't think side lugs help much in mud (other than maybe ruts).
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