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Unread 02-25-2009, 05:06 AM   #166
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I have BFG AT 31" and they are great tires, both on road & offroad.

Going today to get the 32"

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Unread 03-02-2009, 05:12 PM   #167
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i work in tires for a living so i've seen about every AT tire in the industry at some point in time. you often run into more problems (out of round, seperation, cupping, feathering, flat spots, ...etc...) with an all terrain tire, even worse with mt tires. the key, regardless of what tire you choose is keeping the tires balanced and rotated, not to mention making sure that if you have a bent rim, that it is replaced soon, for it can ruin a tire as well.

in my personal opinion i feel that the best all terrain tire in the industry is the michelin ltx at2. they are a bit pricey, but the get around (for me anyway) very well in mud, snow, ice, rain, and rocks. not to mention that they are whisper quiet on the road and ride extremely smooth. they have a deep tread (14.5/32 to 17/32 depending on size), and cut outs on the edge of the tread pattern for added traction. the pictures on tirerack make it look kind of puney, but go to your local tire shop and take a look at one, they are impressive. i had a set on my previous wj (before it was totalled by hit and run drunk driver), and i absolutely loved them. best tire i had ever ran.

the bridgestone dueller at revo would be a close second, followed by the firestone destination at.

i like bf goodrich, but after installing and doing thousands of rotate and balances on the bfg all terrain. i have noticed that a majority of them are out of round from the factory, or have a shimmy to them when balancing. not to mention, if rotations are not done regularly (every 5k miles or so) they tend to have chord seperations almost as bad as goodyear wrangler. they also usually require more weight to balance.

that is just my opinion from being in the tire industry for several years
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Unread 03-02-2009, 08:33 PM   #168
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in my personal opinion i feel that the best all terrain tire in the industry is the michelin ltx at2. they are a bit pricey, but the get around (for me anyway) very well in mud, snow, ice, rain, and rocks. not to mention that they are whisper quiet on the road and ride extremely smooth. they have a deep tread (14.5/32 to 17/32 depending on size), and cut outs on the edge of the tread pattern for added traction. the pictures on tirerack make it look kind of puney, but go to your local tire shop and take a look at one, they are impressive. i had a set on my previous wj (before it was totalled by hit and run drunk driver), and i absolutely loved them. best tire i had ever ran.
Yes those are quite expensive, about $200 a tire. I do like the tread on them, very agressive looking but the tread blocks arent very large...that is why they are so smooth and quiet on the road. I think they come with a 60k warranty?

I dont see how they would be any good in mud or on rocks...
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Unread 03-03-2009, 09:35 AM   #169
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thought id give a lil input here. . . i just mounted a set of sport king a/t's on my basically stock cherokee to hold me over til i get a lift and what not. took them through the sand in the pine barrons, the mud pits near my house, and through 10" of snow yesterday. i have to say, im amazed with the traction these tires give. they self clean in the mud excellent, work awesome in the sand, and have amazing grip in the snow. i was able to pull two chevy pick ups out of snow banks in my cherokee with these. so far i am very very pleased. paid around $90 each my cost in a 235/75 15 variety. anyone looking for a good all around all terrain that is nice on the highway, rain, snow, mud, sand, etc. . . definately take a look at these.
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Unread 03-03-2009, 07:34 PM   #170
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in my personal opinion i feel that the best all terrain tire in the industry is the michelin ltx at2.
Man 1: "Seems like a fine tire, but where can I get it in a 33x12.50-15?"

Man 2: "Go fish."

Man 1: "Okay then ... well BFG's it is ... Say, do you think the fact you see FAR MORE BFG AT's than the LTX AT2's would have any factor in your 'experiences'?"

Man 2: "Go fish."
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Unread 03-03-2009, 10:13 PM   #171
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i just say don't knock them till you try them. at the shop i work at, bfg's at's and ltx at2's are around the same price, with the michelin you get longer life, smoother ride, less road noise, equal traction (i've tried both on the same trails with about the same results, i think ltx at2's clean out better in mud). plus the bfg has been on the market for 15 years plus, and the michelin at2 about 3 so of course i've seen more bfgs. i think most people buy the bfg's for their appearance as opposed to their performance. and i'm sure a 33x12.50-15 will be a size offered by michelin this spring.
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Unread 03-04-2009, 12:44 AM   #172
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i just say don't knock them till you try them. at the shop i work at, bfg's at's and ltx at2's are around the same price, with the michelin you get longer life, smoother ride, less road noise, equal traction (i've tried both on the same trails with about the same results, i think ltx at2's clean out better in mud). plus the bfg has been on the market for 15 years plus, and the michelin at2 about 3 so of course i've seen more bfgs. i think most people buy the bfg's for their appearance as opposed to their performance. and i'm sure a 33x12.50-15 will be a size offered by michelin this spring.
I hope they do come out in that size soon, because I agree they appear to be a great AT tire design? ... Unfortunately I'm going to be buying some KM2's real soon, too soon to wait for the prospect of them getting out anything larger than a 31-incher ... I prefer a little more aggressive tread design as long as the road noise isn't too bad and they wear decent. A good alternative to this one (besides the BFG AT) would be the DC FCII, from rumor.

Anyway, I currently run a newer set of Michelin tires on my Chrysler 300C (Primacy4 something?), and they have been !great! so far in all on-road weather conditions and trips from Seattle to Portland on I-5 (some wide-open road along that route too, if ya catch my drift).

However, my wife just replaced a pair of Michelins on her Firebird that had real good traction for the first 25% of the tread life. The last 40% they were marginal from dead stop acceleration in the rain, and the car is only a 6-cylinder, at most. So, we re-shoed her pony with those Michelins still having 35% tread depth left. We went with some BFG Traction TA's ... Great tire so far, but time will tell ultimately? The Michelins that came off of the Firequail had about 50K miles on them and were the best tire Michelin was offering in our size, some 4-5 years ago ... the design name escapes me? Anyhow, they were a great tire for the first leg of their life, but they just progressively got worse.

The BFGs I've owned in the past (cars & trucks) have always performed a little better than our experience with our first set of Michelins, but with them being related companies, it really doesn't matter now.

My comment regarding your experience was just stating that if BFG ATs sell 30 to 1 against anything Michelin is making, then the cases of fouled tires will not favor the BFG ... naturally. I wasn't trying to take a swipe at you or your experiences.
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Unread 03-04-2009, 06:02 AM   #173
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oh i know man it's cool, i have no beef with bfg tires as a whole. the most popular tire we sell is the bfg long trail for trucks, and the touring t/a pro for cars. they are a really solid tire that holds up well in all seasons (seem to be the best tire i've seen for gravel) and are probably the best bang for your buck as far as mileage, ride comfort, and excellent winter traction. michelin owns bfg, so i know that michelin would never let an sub standard product out on the market.

don't get me wrong i don't dislike the bfg all terrain and the mt. my dad ran the mt's on our farm trucks when i was young and he sweared by them. in my opinion i just think that the michelin is a better value for the true on/off road driver.
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Unread 03-04-2009, 06:15 PM   #174
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I've been trying to figure out which tire to get between the BFG A/T and the Michelin AT/2.

I used the Michelin A/T on my Bronco and really thought it was a great tire and I liked that tread pattern more.

Does anyone think the A/T2 is better than the original?

Tire size in 30x9.50

Not sure if Michelin even makes them in that size.
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Unread 03-13-2009, 08:47 PM   #175
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The Michelin AT2 is E rated. Doesn't it ride a little hard?
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Unread 03-15-2009, 03:18 PM   #176
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Ya know, Michelin owns BFG, Sport King and Mud King, etc.

Just like Cooper owns D!ck Cepek, Mickey Thompson, Mastercraft, etc.

So aside from tread design, how much difference is there really between Michelin and BFG? Is it the same carcass and tread compound or similar? I wonder. I suspect that Michelin and BFG are more similar than most folks realize.
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Unread 03-17-2009, 02:57 PM   #177
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I talked to my local tire store about the Sport King vs BFG AT. The guy said that the Sport King can perform approximately as good as the BFG AT on all terrains, but the SK costs less while the BFG lasts longer. Also, I observe that the BFG has a nice "rim protector" rubber sidewall ridge to (try and) keep wheel from rubbing rocks. I like that protector ridge. Also, the BFG has much better side biter treads for when aired way down.

The main perks of the BFG over the SK is the BFG is offered in many more sizes, including two of my favorites, the 33 X 9.5 R15 and 33 X 10.5 R15. The other main perks are the sidewall rubber ridge to protect the rim and better side biters for when aired down.

However, if the SK is available in a size you want, and you aren't going to be near rocks or tree stumps and therefore don't need the rim protector sidewall ridge, and you aren't going to need to air way down offroad, and you don't mind getting less miles from SK in exchange for a lower purchase price, then the SK is great.

I'm not being sarcastic there. I'm serious. I don't think the SK having a shorter mileage life is a concern because it costs less to buy in the first place. It's less features for airing way down offroad is not a concern for those who don't need to do that.

For onroad winter conditions, and moderate offroad wheeling, the SK would be great (as good as BFG I think) and the SK is a great buy. For more severe use offroad (involving sidewalls rubbing obstacles and extreme airing down), the BFG is the better choice.

IMO

What I'd be interested in looking at, is how does the Sport King compare to the General Grabber AT2? (or whatever that General AT is called) Because that would be an apples to apples comparison of good ATs sold for good prices. Like comparing two brands of hamburgers (MD vs BK for example). The BFG is steak. You can't fairly compare a nice hamburger to a nice steak, except to discuss need vs price.
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Unread 03-17-2009, 04:33 PM   #178
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Has anyone or any magazine done a recent unbiased comparo on these tires?
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Unread 04-15-2009, 12:09 AM   #179
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chalk another up for bfg a/t. i bought 4 of them off a friend. 2 of which were in good shape and the other 2 were pretty bald. so i bought 2 brand new ones so id have 4 good tires and used one of the balder ones as a full size spare. come out to the jeep one day and had a flat. no biggie, changed it and was on my way. well i had to recovery my buddy tonight and thanx to my open diffs the 2 baldest tires were doing the pulling. throwing MUD, not dirt, MUD!!!! granted it wasnt the worst mud on the planet, but im impressed on how easy i towed a 4000 lbs SUV out of a rocker deep slop hole
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Unread 05-08-2009, 12:16 PM   #180
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hi there new in the forum but with expirience in others, this is grat forum

what about general grabber at2, does any one have an a opinion of them?
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