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Unread 07-29-2008, 03:34 PM   #31
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Gas mileage. That is all. I guarantee if you could get the same gas mileage in a Wrangler, FJ Cruiser, Hummer, etc, you would lose at least 1/4 of your Patriot sales.

Right now, it is one or the other: gas mileage or capability. There is really nothing that has both. Give me a Wrangler that gets 24 mpg, and I'd never look at a Patriot. Give me a Patriot that is a bit more rugged, and I'd never look at a Wrangler.

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im purchasing a patriot...the salesmen didnt know exactly how the CVT autostick works (-/+). is there a simplifed instruction on how to use it? when is best time to use it?
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Unread 07-29-2008, 03:35 PM   #33
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Is it possible to run a program to retrofit the AutoStick features on one that didn’t have it previously? We can do the mechanics and electrical but only the dealer can do the programming and it’s not available as a conversion. Also how about the FD II with and AutoStick package?
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I have the Patriot, and love the interior. Very comfortable to ride in. The fold flat passenger seat is especially useful. The cargo area with the plastic diamond plate instead of carpet is great as well. My one complaint about the interior would be the door locks. The passenger door does not have a lock/unlock button-but thats all I can think of! Capable off road-one of the most practical jeeps of all time!

Regarding the passenger door lock/unlock button. We hear yah and we are listening. Thanks for the feedback.
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Well, of course we can't discuss future product and powertrain offerings, but Mopar does offer a "Rally" kit with some different body panels and driving lamps that can be added to any Compass...
I more ment performance, but it sounds like you can't say too much on that. Would be nice to see it compete with some thing like the WRX STI waggon
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With the understanding that you can't address the rumors or future products:

What I would like to see (And that I think would sell well):

Three different variations of the Compass:

1. True Compass Rally.
Body kits are cute but for some of us, what is under the hood is just as important. A good intercooled turbocharged 4 with the AWD and a properly geared 6speed. The buggy needs to be ruggedly built and have enough protection underneath to handle rocks and other road debris. Built in facilities for a roll cage would also be nice.

2. Diesel Compass, AWD with 5 speed manual for the US. Fuel Economy is a heck of a lot more important than speed.

3. Hybrid AWD Compass. The platform is perfect for a hybrid. Note the AWD. Here a hybrid CUV is worthless without it.

NOTE: Skid plates should be readily available for bolt on on all models.

I would be rather sorry to hear of Compass production ending. I am one of many Compass buyers that would not have bought a Patriot instead. The styling is simply too bland.
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Jeep Compass and Patriot...what's to like!?!?

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That's great to hear. What specifically do you like about the vehicles?
I didn't have to buy a Honda in order to get reasonable mppg!

Here's a post I did that sums it up well...

Jeep Compass holds key advantages over a Honda CR-V
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When comparing Jeep's Compass to the Honda CR-V, we came upon some key features in both that is helping us make our decision. While I'm not a Jeep Compass owner, I was hoping this info might help some others on the fence.

Here's a summary of key items not so obvious during a first impression, test drive, or prominently listed in a brochure.

1. Jeep offers a choice of 4 cyl engines: standard 2.4L 172hp/165ftlbs or optional 2.0L 158hp/141ft.lbs. Jeep buyers can also choose between a 5-spd manual or a CVT automatic. Honda buyers must get the 2.4L 166hp/161ft.lbs. w/ a 5 spd automatic transmission. No tranny or engine choices are available in a CR-V. Advantage Jeep.

2. Jeep's Unlimited Powertrain warranty is clearly a bonus. Honda's limited powertrain coverage ends at 5/yr 60,000miles. Both vehicles feature 3yr/36k bumper to bumper warranty's. Honda's do not typically include Roadside Assistance - it is a separate and additional charge for this "Honda Care" coverage. If you belong to AAA, this may not matter to you.

3. http://www.fueleconomy.gov Compass 2WD 2.4L 5M rated at 23/28mpg, 2.0L 2WD Auto at 23/27, and 2.4L Auto 21/25mpg. Honda FWD CR-V 2.4L 5A at 20/27mpg So, 2 out of 3 Jeep Compass 2WD powertrains surpass the 2WD Honda on Hwy and 3 out of 3 in the City. 4WD is 20/26mpg on the Honda and Compass offers choices of 2.4L 5M 22/27mpg, and 2.4L Auto 21/24mpg. So in the City, all the Jeeps are the champ by up to 3 mpg, while on the highway the 4WD results are split: 5 speed manual Compass is the overall mileage champ, while the Honda's 5spd auto beats the Compass CVT by 2mpg per EPA.

4. There is ~$5,000 base price difference between the 2 vehicles. This can swell when working a deal. The CR-V we were interested in was well over $32,500. While the Compass offered the same features at ~$27,000. All this before dealing, incentives, and the like.

5. Rear seats do NOT fold flat on a CR-V! We tried flipping them forward vertically, but they take up a lot of fore/aft space and also affect front passenger seats ability to slide/recline this way. Both seat backs recline as well. Advantage Compass.

6. A CR-V can only tow a max of 1,500lbs vs. 2,000lbs max on the lil Jeeps. That's a healthy 33% advantage to the Jeeper.

7. The rear hatch window does NOT open on the fully loaded $31,500 Honda CR-V either! In other words, neither vehicle offers this feature regardless of pricing.

8. Frontal crash testing http://www.safercar.gov http://www.iihs.org cannot be compared on these 2 vehicles because the vehicles tested varied in weight by >300lbs. with the Jeep being the heavier of the two. In overall testing on the CR-V is given hi marks, but read the fine print...pelvic fracture(s) are a likely outcome from a 31mph side impact! Ouch. Up to 65 pelvis g's vs. 42 for the Compass. So much for the heavily touted ACE body structure on the Honda. Side impact testing CAN be compared across weight classes. The Jeep held the advantage in side impact testing. The lighter Honda had better numbers in the frontal, but they can't be compared. Frustrating. Heavier and larger vehicles do better in real world crashes however, which would favor the Jeep. We'll call this a split decision.

9. Even a basic Compass offers nearly an extra inch of ground clearance at 8.1" vs. 7.3" for CR-V. For those of us in snow country or bound for the dunes at the beach, this can be an important number. You can buy skid plates for your Compass/Patriot from Jeep. Honda sells no such thing as a skid plate for any of their vehicles.

10. The CR-V's are assembled in El Salto, Jalisco, Mexico or Sayama, Japan (both w/ only 10% US/Canadian parts content). The Compass/Patriots are assembled in Belvidere, Illinois, USA with 67% US/Canadian content. Let buyers think of that what they will of course, but interesting to note. We had thought the CR-V's being made in Ohio would be available to the buying public, but apparently they are all bound for Canada.

11. Sirius Satellite trial period is only 90 days on a Honda vs. 360 days on all Jeeps! Nice touch Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep.

12. Rear seat DVD entertainment is unavailable in a new CR-V! Gasp. This alone would sway my Niece and Nephew. Compass has a factory DVD available in the Mopar accessories catalog.

13. Payload capacity (people & gear) in a Compass is 925lbs. vs. 945lbs max for the Honda. Actual amount dependant on options chosen. A wash really. Look inside your drivers door for specific amounts on your vehicle.

14. Factory Accessory Roof rack capacity on a CR-V is only 75lbs. vs. 150lbs on the Compass OEM roof rack! 100% is quite a difference. Advantage Compass.

16. CR-V curb to curb turning radius is 37.8ft vs. only 35.5ft in a Compass Sport w/ 16 or 17" wheels. A Compass limited and special edition Rallye w/ 18" wheels can still turn in 37.2ft Agility goes to Jeeps.

17. Rollover (a calculation only) likelihood in an accident is 17/15% 2WD/AWD for the CR-V and 18/16% 2WD/AWD for the Compass/Patriot. 1% difference is not significant however. These are both above average for the class and clearly show being based on a Civic/Caliber car has its advantages.

18. The CR-V's seats did have active head restraints. A nice feature. Advantage Honda. Jeep needs to improve the head restraints on the MK's.

19. Not only are the engine's in the Jeep's more fuel efficient, but they are cleaner burning and top the compact SUV class! http://www.greenercars.org/highlights_byclass_csuv.htm

20. It's a genuine, original, One and Only Jeep!
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Here is my suggestion:

Give us a more capable MK. On another forum, several people have tested their Patriots off-road, and reported problems with power and traction. It seems that once there is too much strain on the CVT, it ceases to send power to the wheels at all.

I loved the idea of the Patriot when it was being released, but I have waited to see how they would perform. So far, I'm not as impressed as I had hoped. There must be a way of packing more capability into a vehicle without sacrificing gas mileage.

Perhaps a "Rubicon" or "Renegade" model Patriot would solve some problems. Something with a true locking differential, more articulation, a higher bumper, a beefier suspension, and some more power.

I'm sure people would pay for more...I would.
Do you have the CVT or CVT2L? The trail rated Patriot which comes with the CVT2L and it has a larger trans cooler.
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It's great that you're having fun off-road! If you're looking to do serious off-roading, what is it that draws you to a Patriot rather than one of the rear wheel drive Jeep products?
I know this wasn't directed towards me, but one of the major reasons I went with the patriot instead of the new liberty or wrangler is I don't fit into either of those vehicles. I've talked to several tall guys on the forums, (I'm 6'9" ) and we fit into the patriots/compasses fine, but I can't even fit my knees into the liberty with the seat all the way back, and the wrangler I can barely fit, but my knees rub the dash. So oddly enough, I was trying to decide between the patriot and the dodge Ram 4x4... Comfort, gas mileage, CVT, price, AWD, and being able to drive 4 people did it for me.
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Do you have the CVT or CVT2L? The trail rated Patriot which comes with the CVT2L and it has a larger trans cooler.
Guys...come on. Believe me when I say we all know the specs of these vehicles.
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That's great to hear. What specifically do you like about the vehicles?
i like that they are very versatile. the Compass and Patriot are a great 'first car', SUV or just a 'grocery getter' or for the 'soccer moms'.

you can even go off roading with them, even the COMPASS.....
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Are the interior deminsions of the Patriot simular to the XJ?

In a 5spd Patriot, what are the final drive gear ratios? Looking to replace a stock 93 Cherokee with the 5spd Patriot and would still like to be able to access certian remote camping areas. Would this be a wise choice?

Do the Patriots have any provisions to run well at +10,000 feet? I only ask because I have seen very few Patriots here in the high country of Colorado.

What is the largest factory tire size that comes on a Patriot?

I really believe the Patriot would be a good addition to the Jeep family of mine. Although, from reading testimonials from owners, their desire for more power has me concerned.
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im purchasing a patriot...the salesmen didnt know exactly how the CVT autostick works (-/+). is there a simplifed instruction on how to use it? when is best time to use it?
Autostick is very easy to use. When you are in Drive, move the shifter either to the left or right and the transmission will pick the proper ratio. then you can shift up or down as you please. when you want to leave autostick, just hold the lever to the right. autostick is useful for driving in the mountains or passing when you want to optimize performance - it can be a lot of fun.
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how about coming up with more Compass MARKETING. i live in Central Indiana and the ONLY ad i can remember seeing that focused on the Compass was the one that seemed to be aimed at the younger generation OR Hispanics.

WHY NO ADS? you can't sell them if you can't see them on TV!!!!
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i like that they are very versatile. the Compass and Patriot are a great 'first car', SUV or just a 'grocery getter' or for the 'soccer moms'.

you can even go off roading with them, even the COMPASS.....
Were these pictures taken at the Badlands? Glad to see people enjoying their vehicles as they were intended. What prompted you to go the Compass route rather than toward Patriot?
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