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post #16 of 35 Old 07-06-2012, 02:25 PM
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Grabbing my front row seat and popcorn!

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Why not go wheeling instead?
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post #19 of 35 Old 07-06-2012, 05:43 PM
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Having helped install an IRO kit, and owning a Clayton kit, I prefer the adjustability of the Clayton kit, and love the ride.

Any longarm kit is going to improve the ride by an order of magnitude. It all comes down to your preference.

I wish there was more UCA adjustability on the IRO kit, and I don't care much for their cam adjuster. Have I seen or heard of one failing? No. I've always been concerned about the bolt on aspect of the IRO kit, but it can be fixed with a welder.

RE has great springs and shocks. I can't say I would want to run their LA kit though. It does seem plenty strong, but I truly feel my Claytons will outlast it.

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Is the strength of the arm relevant? Does it matter if Clayton's are stronger if IRO is strong enough? I've never heard of either brand breaking. I personally plan on getting the clayton rear arms because I don't want the 5 link and I like the idea of stiffeners. I don't see the fine print in IRO's warranty. They say they replace damaged control arms no matter what the cause, and they replace everything so long as it is being used for it's intended use. But for the OP, the front arms that come with the 4.5" kit are awesome, in my opinion. I've heard GREAT things about Clayton's as well.

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There is no best system, a lot will depend on how you plan on using your jeep.
I have seen people taking the best parts from the different systems and putting together what will work best for them.

I have the Rubicon Express 4.5" Long Arm Suspension System and thought for as many years these have been on the market that all the problems would have been worked out.
Sadly that's not the case, first off the rear UCA's where hitting the sway bar and needed to be bent. The guys at RE said this was the first time they heard about this.

Two weeks ago I ran into someone with the same lift who found the same UCA problem and reported it to RE over 2 years ago.

They say 32" tires will fit without trimming, I had to trim 2" off the front bumper cover.

The front bump stops it comes with are 2", you need 4".

Their rear shocks made my ZJ ride rougher that my 2000 Dodge 3500 cummins 4x4 dually, I replaced both front and rear shocks and now have a very smooth ride.

They do have very good springs!! and will give you a nice ride with a few changes.

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post #22 of 35 Old 07-07-2012, 02:52 AM
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All three of the kits, Claytons, IRO, and RE will cost you about the same price.

Claytons however doesn't come with shocks and will require you to have it professionally installed UNLESS you are an experienced welder capable of welding very thick plate to very thin chassis. This install price can be around $1000. So just to get down the road the claytons kit is going to be almost $5k. But for the price you do get chassis stiffeners, which is a good thing on a ZJ. Also you should probably work on making sure you have the rear axle you are going to keep on the jeep for a while because it will be welded in.

IRO is a great kit. Lack of adjustability in the front control arms and sketchy shocks (unless you get the upgrade options for more money) are some downfalls.

RE is also a great kit. Adjustable control arms, ridiculous amounts of bolts attaching subframe assemblies to the framerails, Their own brand of shocks (i don't know who makes it for them)


I ended up choosing RE because I liked the subframe assemblies more than the IRO ones, and I couldn't afford to have a claytons kits installed.

The great thing about any of these kits is that you can order JUST the long arm upgrades. I actually got the RE long arm upgrade and pieced the rest together from other manufacturers. Came out to about the same price overall but I got better parts, bilstein shocks, and a taller lift.


Don't let Cameleer scare you off the RE kit. Granted it is not perfect. The installation instructions are terrible, some of my bolts were switched out for the wrong kind.. But any long arm kit in the back of a ZJ is going to whack the rear sway bar at 4.5 inches of lift. Unless of course your rear control arm mounts are mounted lower to specifically clear the sway bar, but now you are sacrificing ground clearance. But if you get taller springs like I did, it really isn't an issue.
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Is the strength of the arm relevant?
In a word, YES. Get out there and do some wheeling and you will learn why.
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In a word, YES. Get out there and do some wheeling and you will learn why.
I wheel pretty often, and have banged my control arms enough to where I'm confident they are not a weak point. All I was getting at was I've never heard of either brand of long arm failing.

If you have an experience you'd like to share, while I'm not sure why it wouldn't have come up by now, I'd love to hear it and I could base future opinions on your tale.

Horrible answer, by the way. Like as soon as I get on a dirt road I exclaim "curse you technohead you were right! If only I would've listened!" I probably just jinxed myself though, so when I do break you're not allowed to laugh

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I wheel pretty often, and have banged my control arms enough to where I'm confident they are not a weak point. All I was getting at was I've never heard of either brand of long arm failing.

If you have an experience you'd like to share, while I'm not sure why it wouldn't have come up by now, I'd love to hear it and I could base future opinions on your tale.

Horrible answer, by the way. Like as soon as I get on a dirt road I exclaim "curse you technohead you were right! If only I would've listened!" I probably just jinxed myself though, so when I do break you're not allowed to laugh


Of course it depends on the terrain. Here in New England we wheel on granite boulders and control arms take a brutal beating. As do brackets, shock mounts, and whatever else is exposed.
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Of course it depends on the terrain. Here in New England we wheel on granite boulders and control arms take a brutal beating. As do brackets, shock mounts, and whatever else is exposed.
Yup. I've seen plenty of suspension links bend from being smashed into rocks. In Moab, your long arms may as well be rock sliders. I've only wheeled with one rig that has IRO long arms and he hasn't bent anything yet, but I've seen quite a few others bend, but 95% of the rigs I wheel with run Clayton's and I haven't seen one of those bend.

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Here's a photo of my RE shock after my first offroad run on a easy forest service fire road.


I would have no problem installing another RE on a ZJ.
It's not a bad kit, just saying there's a few things that need to be improved and or replaced on it, like putting larger bolts through the CA mounts, which I did.

Here's a side view showing the RE lift, you can somewhat see the bend in the rear UCA. RE approved this mod before it was bent.


With the Fox shocks it rides very nice and I'm loving it.

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Of course it depends on the terrain. Here in New England we wheel on granite boulders and control arms take a brutal beating. As do brackets, shock mounts, and whatever else is exposed.
So it sounds like no one has ever seen the iron rock arms bend or break, which was all I was trying to get at. I wasn't trying to imply that control arm strength wasn't at all important - cause then I'd be a retard and I'd probably have to donate my zj to a charitable cause.

But like you and bigdave, the ohv parks in Texas are pretty much only rocks, as its too hot and dry for mud or forests to exist. If you look at my YouTube link in my signature, there's plenty of control arm bashing (all tube), but I still haven't seen any fail. I am not trying to say tube is stronger, as I am a long way from an expert on the matter (yea I saw your formulas.... Nerd), I am just saying I believe it is strong enough.

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Claytons
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in that order.

Don't let the newbs on here who've never been off road on a short arm kit or longarm kit tell you differently. They search for the best dollar deals to run back to the mall or park on a curb at school. I've been to too many Grand Slam events, GSE, GSMW and GSW for the last 15 years seeing what works and what doesn't. Claytons is more expensive but worth every penny.

However, I'm a shortarm guy. I ran 6.5 of shortarm RE with 33s and 35s.

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