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post #8941 of 10778 Old 10-27-2013, 01:45 PM
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Going to cut in for a second, I have to say it seems not all folks care for their 20+ year old vehicles, what a shame. My woman loves the new ZJ, but not allowed to drive it...so you know you own/drive a ZJ, when SHE gets a



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post #8942 of 10778 Old 10-27-2013, 07:09 PM
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Talk about hypocrisy, you just called your zj a boat. There's almost literally no way that can be said in a positive way.
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Going to cut in for a second, I have to say it seems not all folks care for their 20+ year old vehicles, what a shame. My woman loves the new ZJ, but not allowed to drive it...so you know you own/drive a ZJ, when SHE gets a

i encourage mine to drive it and a few times got her to flex it pretty good
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post #8943 of 10778 Old 10-27-2013, 07:48 PM
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I used to have plates on a crown vic that read: "LAND ARK"

They got lots of laughs!

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Honestly, at just shy of 158k miles, my ZJ is still comfy, drives well, steering feels pretty good (slightly numb, but not terrible). It's still reliable, even when I beat on it a bit or put a ton of miles on it quickly (did 1300 miles in 10 days about a month ago). It's not perfect, but it's still pretty damn good for what it is and how well rounded its abilities are.
Even my ZJ is super comfy, and if I had my steering **** fixed, it'd be comparable to yours, and that's at 252k. However, it doesn't hold a candle to the V6 WK2 I testdrove a few months ago. And that didn't even have its seats broken in yet. Such is the case of old vs new.

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Talk about hypocrisy, you just called your zj a boat. There's almost literally no way that can be said in a positive way.

@schizophrenicMC it sounds like your zj just has a number of common issues you can fix, but you are choosing not to?
I have a lot of common issues, and at $5,000 worth of trying to fix them, I can't justify any more money. I've been through the dirty dozen at least once per item (4 PCMs later, I'm still having PCM failures), my suspension is falling apart faster than I can replace it, the transmission is a time bomb, both my axles are chirping tires for reasons beyond my understanding, I'm pretty sure the t-case isn't cycling all the way out of 4Hi, the paint is beat to hell, I have a mismatched door, and the fuel pump is about dead to boot. Maybe mine is just a lemon, but it's a money pit and I can't justify it anymore. In August alone, I spent $2,000 on repair items. Not upgrades, not labor. Repairs. For a vehicle I purchased for $1200 with 243,000 miles on the clock.

I could have done a lot of other things with $6,000 than buy a ZJ and fix it for a year and a half. The fact that I've stuck with it this long, I think, sheds some light on my character, and the fact that I'm still coming to grips with having to sell it in spite of what it's cost me says equally as much.

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post #8945 of 10778 Old 10-28-2013, 04:57 AM
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I have a lot of common issues, and at $5,000 worth of trying to fix them, I can't justify any more money. I've been through the dirty dozen at least once per item (4 PCMs later, I'm still having PCM failures), my suspension is falling apart faster than I can replace it, the transmission is a time bomb, both my axles are chirping tires for reasons beyond my understanding, I'm pretty sure the t-case isn't cycling all the way out of 4Hi, the paint is beat to hell, I have a mismatched door, and the fuel pump is about dead to boot. Maybe mine is just a lemon, but it's a money pit and I can't justify it anymore. In August alone, I spent $2,000 on repair items. Not upgrades, not labor. Repairs. For a vehicle I purchased for $1200 with 243,000 miles on the clock.

I could have done a lot of other things with $6,000 than buy a ZJ and fix it for a year and a half. The fact that I've stuck with it this long, I think, sheds some light on my character, and the fact that I'm still coming to grips with having to sell it in spite of what it's cost me says equally as much.

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Sounds kinda like it belongs in a junkyard... Don't tell me you're actually going to sell that and pass all the issues onto someone else.

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I used to have plates on a crown vic that read: "LAND ARK"

They got lots of laughs!
Agreed, but calling a Crown Vic a boat makes a hell of a lot more sense than calling a Jeep a boat.
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Sounds kinda like it belongs in a junkyard... Don't tell me you're actually going to sell that and pass all the issues onto someone else.
No it sounds like he needs to bring it to someone who actually knows what the hell they're doing. There's no way that there is a single driveability issue that shouldn't be able to be fixed for under $200 on a ZJ. The engine is very simple and the parts are cheap.

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I feel like I just watched a mini van climb a small hill.
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BADASS, and completely on topic! hahaha. Just goes to prove that when you don't have all the driver assists like the WK2 has it's not a lack of capability, it's a challenge and just takes a better driver.

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Sounds kinda like it belongs in a junkyard... Don't tell me you're actually going to sell that and pass all the issues onto someone else.
I've got a friend who's interested and patient enough to use it as a learning experience.
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No it sounds like he needs to bring it to someone who actually knows what the hell they're doing. There's no way that there is a single driveability issue that shouldn't be able to be fixed for under $200 on a ZJ. The engine is very simple and the parts are cheap.
Hey, up yours, buddy. Sure, any single driveability issue could be fixed for $200 or less, but the thing is FULL of them. I've spent a total of $300 in labor for the thing, and all of that is muffler shops welding new mufflers in. The rest is parts, lots and lots of failing parts. The engine is simple, but I haven't even had to get into the engine, because mechanically its only problem is a piston slap in cylinder 3 or 4. It's the damn EFI that's killing me, that and the fact that the suspension keeps falling apart. I could deal with the suspension if I could just keep this *******ed Jeep running without its computer systems all going lazy on me.

Like I said, I went all the way through the dirty dozen, and more than once in a few categories. Its problems persist. I again state, if you want to help, the Save Schizo's Jeep Foundation is accepting charity. If you don't have anything helpful to add, then worry about your own Jeep before making snide remarks about mine or my abilities as an automotive technician.

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I've got a friend who's interested and patient enough to use it as a learning experience.

Hey, up yours, buddy. Sure, any single driveability issue could be fixed for $200 or less, but the thing is FULL of them. I've spent a total of $300 in labor for the thing, and all of that is muffler shops welding new mufflers in. The rest is parts, lots and lots of failing parts. The engine is simple, but I haven't even had to get into the engine, because mechanically its only problem is a piston slap in cylinder 3 or 4. It's the damn EFI that's killing me, that and the fact that the suspension keeps falling apart. I could deal with the suspension if I could just keep this *******ed Jeep running without its computer systems all going lazy on me.

Like I said, I went all the way through the dirty dozen, and more than once in a few categories. Its problems persist. I again state, if you want to help, the Save Schizo's Jeep Foundation is accepting charity. If you don't have anything helpful to add, then worry about your own Jeep before making snide remarks about mine or my abilities as an automotive technician.
Did you change the o2s
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Like I said, I went all the way through the dirty dozen, and more than once in a few categories. Its problems persist. I again state, if you want to help, the Save Schizo's Jeep Foundation is accepting charity. If you don't have anything helpful to add, then worry about your own Jeep before making snide remarks about mine or my abilities as an automotive technician.
I know I was harsh and offensive but for $5000 you could have had a remanufactured engine with all brand new sensors. I don't want to be an ******* about it but I work full time as a tech and we get these kinds of problems in ALL the time. Even from other shops that don't know what they're doing. Since you're doing the work yourself it's either inexperience or overlooking something that you "already fixed". We've all been there, it sucks because it means you spend a lot of time tracking down something else when it was something easy the whole time.

It's obvious that you're fed up with the Jeep due to the frustration of not being able to track it down yourself but I really don't think it's the Jeeps fault. If we weren't 1000's of miles apart I'd have you bring it to my shop and get it taken care of once and for all.

I read through your thread and I see a bunch of things that could still be the cause. You could have a faulty ignition switch or losing power to ECM intermittently. Both of those would be my first place to check with the problem you're listing and would cause all of the problems you listed. Another potential is the O2 code, if the O2 is shorted out (I've seen this before on 5.2's, my 4.0 experience is mostly OBD1) the O2 could be shorting the ECU out and causing these issues as well. I've had brand new O2's that were shorted out. You have to test them with a volt meter and ohm meter to know for sure.

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I have all new sensors, that's the problem. TPS, CPS, CKS, UO2, DO2, IAT, MAP, CTS, and even the OPS and knock sensor for good measure. The only sensor still original is the speed sensor, because it's the only one I can prove is reading properly. I'm 4 PCMs into it, I've replaced everything related to the ignition except the distributor body, I flow-tested all the fuel injectors, and the engine has perfect compression to boot. The wires are all, as far as I can tell, intact because no amount of jostling them changed running conditions during the times it was running well. At this point, the only thing I haven't done is replace the catalytic converter. I did pop a couple of holes into the pipe fore of it and it didn't seem to do anything, not to mention the ZJ doesn't display symptoms of a failed cat (ie hesitation, stalling at high RPM, etc) but now the cat is clearly rattling so it's getting replaced.

My O2 sensor code is Bank 1 Sensor 2 High Voltage. That is, it's reading higher than acceptable hydrocarbon emissions, which is suggestive of rich operation and/or impaired catalyst function.

If it makes anyone feel better, I'll hit my ignition switch with my multimeter and post results. I don't believe I'm suffering from a shorting PCM or intermittent power loss, because it does store trouble codes. The original PCM did have damaged circuits and would randomly reset while driving, causing it to not store codes.

You know you drive a ZJ when you've committed to sell it but you still have to do all these tests just to be sure.

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