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Unread 10-26-2013, 04:52 PM   #8926
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when your negative battery connector's nut is so stripped you can't even tighten it with a vise-grip, but it's okay because you need to disconnect it so often anyway to deal with electrical issues

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Unread 10-26-2013, 07:39 PM   #8927
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Unread 10-26-2013, 07:41 PM   #8928
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Unread 10-26-2013, 08:14 PM   #8929
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This will be the first winter my jeep leaves no red spots hahaha cant wait.
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Unread 10-26-2013, 10:21 PM   #8930
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The simple fact is, the ZJ is 20 years old. (I'm actually a little disappointed there wasn't a 20th Anniversary Edition. I demand a 25th Anni edition, come 2018) I bought mine for $1200, a lot of us bought ours for less. The lowest-mileage ZJ I've seen in person had a little over 170,000 miles. The highest has over 300. These are properly old vehicles, and their features, performance, and capability is as such. My ZJ has proven time and again, I can't count on it every day, and while it's more comfortable than my 25-year-old sports car, that's not saying a lot. Not to mention it keeps blowing up its mufflers, so it's loud and tough to live with, and then the steering? I mean it's numb to start, but then there's all the wobble because the steering design is terrible.

ZJs are old and defunct. I love mine. It breaks my heart that I have to sell it. But as much as I love it, as proud as I am to be a Grand Cherokee guy, from day 1, I willingly concede it is not the best in its class anymore. It's old. It has worthy successors, stronger children and grandchildren. Grand Children. The WK2 is the most qualified successor to the Grand Cherokee name. It has earned its name by showing its capability, its performance, its comfort. I have nothing but respect for it. It may be leagues more expensive now, than a ZJ is now, but it's not all that much more expensive now, than a ZJ was then.

You know you drive a ZJ when you don't drive the best car on the road. When the car you drive is no longer the fastest, the most capable, or the most comfortable. When the car you drive is beaten-up, abused, worn, torn, used, and old. When, frankly, there are better options for the money.

You know you drive a ZJ when, despite that, to you, nothing could ever be better.
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Unread 10-26-2013, 11:47 PM   #8931
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Honestly, at just shy of 158k miles, my ZJ is still comfy, drives well, steering feels pretty good (slightly numb, but not terrible). It's still reliable, even when I beat on it a bit or put a ton of miles on it quickly (did 1300 miles in 10 days about a month ago). It's not perfect, but it's still pretty damn good for what it is and how well rounded its abilities are.
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Unread 10-26-2013, 11:49 PM   #8932
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. The WK2 is the most qualified successor to the Grand Cherokee name. It has earned its name by showing its capability, its performance, its comfort. I have nothing but respect for it. It may be leagues more expensive now, than a ZJ is now, but it's not all that much more expensive now, than a ZJ was then.

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65k is a big big difference from the approximate 30k a zj was
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Unread 10-27-2013, 12:02 AM   #8933
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65k is a big big difference from the approximate 30k a zj was
Factor in inflation and it's not such a big price gap. My niner stickered for $39,215 in 98. Accounting for inflation, that's a bit over $56k in today's dollars.
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Unread 10-27-2013, 08:04 AM   #8934
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The simple fact is, the ZJ is 20 years old. (I'm actually a little disappointed there wasn't a 20th Anniversary Edition. I demand a 25th Anni edition, come 2018) I bought mine for $1200, a lot of us bought ours for less. The lowest-mileage ZJ I've seen in person had a little over 170,000 miles. The highest has over 300. These are properly old vehicles, and their features, performance, and capability is as such. My ZJ has proven time and again, I can't count on it every day, and while it's more comfortable than my 25-year-old sports car, that's not saying a lot. Not to mention it keeps blowing up its mufflers, so it's loud and tough to live with, and then the steering? I mean it's numb to start, but then there's all the wobble because the steering design is terrible.

ZJs are old and defunct. I love mine. It breaks my heart that I have to sell it. But as much as I love it, as proud as I am to be a Grand Cherokee guy, from day 1, I willingly concede it is not the best in its class anymore. It's old. It has worthy successors, stronger children and grandchildren. Grand Children. The WK2 is the most qualified successor to the Grand Cherokee name. It has earned its name by showing its capability, its performance, its comfort. I have nothing but respect for it. It may be leagues more expensive now, than a ZJ is now, but it's not all that much more expensive now, than a ZJ was then.

You know you drive a ZJ when you don't drive the best car on the road. When the car you drive is no longer the fastest, the most capable, or the most comfortable. When the car you drive is beaten-up, abused, worn, torn, used, and old. When, frankly, there are better options for the money.

You know you drive a ZJ when, despite that, to you, nothing could ever be better.
Dang dawg, .......sounds kinda like a suicide note.

Don't do it,!
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Unread 10-27-2013, 08:22 AM   #8935
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The simple fact is, the ZJ is 20 years old. (I'm actually a little disappointed there wasn't a 20th Anniversary Edition. I demand a 25th Anni edition, come 2018).
There was a "60 years of Jeep" WJ. I found one in the junkyard.



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Unread 10-27-2013, 08:35 AM   #8936
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Dang dawg, .......sounds kinda like a suicide note. Don't do it,!
Here's my only thought on the matter of new jeeps vs. old jeeps...my jeep is 19 years old and while it has flaws it has never let me down, or left me stranded...yes there have been times where it was off the road for repairs but only when I took it off the road. I know how reliable and unreliable my jeep can be, it's predictable. That being said I wonder how a wk or wk2 will run when it is 19-20 years old compared to my zj.
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Unread 10-27-2013, 08:42 AM   #8937
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The simple fact is, the ZJ is 20 years old. (I'm actually a little disappointed there wasn't a 20th Anniversary Edition. I demand a 25th Anni edition, come 2018) I bought mine for $1200, a lot of us bought ours for less. The lowest-mileage ZJ I've seen in person had a little over 170,000 miles. The highest has over 300. These are properly old vehicles, and their features, performance, and capability is as such. My ZJ has proven time and again, I can't count on it every day, and while it's more comfortable than my 25-year-old sports car, that's not saying a lot. Not to mention it keeps blowing up its mufflers, so it's loud and tough to live with, and then the steering? I mean it's numb to start, but then there's all the wobble because the steering design is terrible.

ZJs are old and defunct. I love mine. It breaks my heart that I have to sell it. But as much as I love it, as proud as I am to be a Grand Cherokee guy, from day 1, I willingly concede it is not the best in its class anymore. It's old. It has worthy successors, stronger children and grandchildren. Grand Children. The WK2 is the most qualified successor to the Grand Cherokee name. It has earned its name by showing its capability, its performance, its comfort. I have nothing but respect for it. It may be leagues more expensive now, than a ZJ is now, but it's not all that much more expensive now, than a ZJ was then.

You know you drive a ZJ when you don't drive the best car on the road. When the car you drive is no longer the fastest, the most capable, or the most comfortable. When the car you drive is beaten-up, abused, worn, torn, used, and old. When, frankly, there are better options for the money.

You know you drive a ZJ when, despite that, to you, nothing could ever be better.
Well put, especially the 'Grand Children'

I think some peoples Grands are in better condition, however the way you describe yours sounds exactly like mine.

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Unread 10-27-2013, 09:27 AM   #8938
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when you want all of these people on here **** talking theyr own rides after thinking about it

so you can scoop em up cheap
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Unread 10-27-2013, 09:33 AM   #8939
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Unread 10-27-2013, 12:08 PM   #8940
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when you want all of these people on here **** talking theyr own rides after thinking about it

so you can scoop em up cheap
Talk about hypocrisy, you just called your zj a boat. There's almost literally no way that can be said in a positive way.

@schizophrenicMC it sounds like your zj just has a number of common issues you can fix, but you are choosing not to?
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