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Unread 06-27-2013, 05:16 PM   #7876
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What is the ring size on the 44a

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Unread 06-27-2013, 05:28 PM   #7877
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If I were going to modify my V8 ZJ, I would not spend any money on my d44a if I planned to go bigger than 31s. Housing rigidity is absent. I would treat this the same as a d35. 31s and no locker.

8.8 vs d44 - One has a marginally stronger, c-clip shaft, if it is a 31 spline. Sometimes, the 8.8 gets the win on shaft strength. One has a stronger housing that does not flex, the d44. Apples to apples - stock versions will fail around the same power/tire/traction combination.

So spring for the d60 bolt in from ECGS - they're a beautiful unit, the correct width, surprisingly good ground clearance and NONE of the weaknesses.
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You know you're driving a ZJ when you need to bring home the 'clean' 4.0 stocker (your wife's) to get your own 'dirty' one to get a used carpet for your XJ. You know it's not the most efficient way to do things, but you gotta drive the dirty V8 - because V8.
The D60 from ECGS costs 3 times as much as a similarly equipped 8.8, and I have no desire to exceed 33". In fact, I'm actually thinking of downsizing to 31" locked. I'd rather go with the 8.8 because it's cheaper without sacrificing my needs.

I'd go for the Rodeo 44 if I had welding equipment and a good space to rebuild the axle to my specs (it'd at least need regearing and 5x4.5-end shafts) but I don't have those things, so the $950 bolt-in 8.8 is tempting as hell.

You know you drive a ZJ when you paid less for a running, driving, 4-wheeling Jeep than it'd cost to buy a D60 that's ready to go onto it. Silly TJ owners.
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Unread 06-27-2013, 08:17 PM   #7878
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That's an Aussie problem. (And it's Isuzu Rodeo in the states. Lots of names, that one. Wizard, HOV Frontera, Rodeo, Amigo, Honda Passport)

Again, my best friend drives a Rodeo. I'm forced to know these things.

I'm real jealous of the guy, though. He's got a D44 from the factory. You know you drive a ZJ when you don't even have a D44 option and have to look at a Ford 8.8 for an affordable axle that's stronger than the ****ty 35 in the rear.
I have a D44 in mine with 3.73 limited slip from factory
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Unread 06-27-2013, 09:22 PM   #7879
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When your watching top 20 most shocking losers in love and realize that in one of the clips theres a person driving a ZJ ramming another suv and collapes the doors in where as the zj drives away looking okay
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Unread 06-27-2013, 09:29 PM   #7880
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When your watching top 20 most shocking losers in love and realize that in one of the clips theres a person driving a ZJ ramming another suv and collapes the doors in where as the zj drives away looking okay
ive seen that episode
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Unread 06-27-2013, 09:33 PM   #7881
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What is the ring size on the 44a
copied and pasted from another thread:

Originally Posted by ArloGuthroJeep View Post
This is a tech post that I came up with based off of info I found on JF, mostly thanks to EMTimZJ
http://www.rockfrogs.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=779

Comparision between Aluminum & Iron D44:
Pro's:
Bolt up.
Get to maintain ABS & speedometer pickup (both based off of tone rings)
Strong R&P

Cons:
Lowest gear ratio is 4.56
Only one locker (lunchbox locker to boot) availablee for it.
Weak axle tubes
Aluminum housing makes it prone to twisting and destroying the wheel bearings.

Ring gear on a D44a is thicker
Pinion gear on a D44a is similar to a D60
30 spline axle shafts

Specifics:
Dana 60
Ring Gear Diameter = 9.750"
Pinion shaft Diameter = 1.626"
Ring Gear Bolt Count = 12
Pinion Spline = 29
Cover Bolt Count = 10

Dana 44 a
Ring Gear Diameter = 8.5"
Pinion Shaft Diameter = 1.625"
Ring Gear Bolt Count = 10
Pinion Spline = 29
Cover Bolt Count = 10

Dana 44 Iron
Ring Gear Diameter=8.500"
Pinion shaft Diameter=1.376"
Ring Gear Bolt Count=10
Pinion Spline=26
Cover Bolt Count=10


Part numbers from Randys R&P on Yukon Alloy shafts for the AL D44

AUSSIE LOCKER for D44 (aluminum version) Aussie Locker XD-14450 (fits both wj and zj equipped with open carriers)

ZJ models.
YA D74871-1x (RH shaft)
YA D74871-2x (LH Shaft)
AK1563 (torrington Bearing and outer seal kit)

WJ Models
YA D76454-1X (Hydrolock model Right Hand)
YA D76454-2X (Hydralock Model Left Hand)

YA D76454-3X ( Non-Hydralock Model Right Hand)
YA D76454-4X ( Non-Hydralock Model Left Hand)

Gear Kit part Numbers
4.56 gear

YG D44HD-456 (fits both units)
YG D44HD (complete rebuild kit includes shims seals, pinion bearing, carrier bearing, etc)
YG D44HD-411 (4.10 gear set)
YK D44HD-GRAND (complete rebuild kit for WJ)

This is a pic comparison between a D44a and D35...can't find a pic of a comparison between a D44 and D44a...
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Unread 06-28-2013, 01:23 AM   #7882
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when tldr ^^^^ untill i have need for it so i book marked it
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Unread 06-28-2013, 03:44 PM   #7883
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I have a D44 in mine with 3.73 limited slip from factory
US-spec 2nd-generation Isuzu Rodeos all had either the 4.10:1 open, 4.10:1 positrac, or 4.36:1 positrac Dana 44 rear axle, depending on trim level and year.

Now, if you're talking about your ZJ, you have a D44A 3.73 positrac, which is most certainly not the same as the iron D44. All V8 ZJs post-95 have the 3.73:1 D44A posi rear end.
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Unread 06-28-2013, 03:48 PM   #7884
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You can have AC or cruise control but not both at the same time
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Unread 06-28-2013, 03:49 PM   #7885
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You can have AC or cruise control but not both at the same time
Uhh I can lol
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Unread 06-28-2013, 03:58 PM   #7886
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Uhh I can lol
I can to for about five minutes actually then I have to pick one or the other. Got a small leak in the vacuum line someplace, haven't found it yet. The common one at the rear of the manifold is fine. No biggie, I'll get to it.
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Unread 06-28-2013, 04:00 PM   #7887
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You can have AC or cruise control but not both at the same time
I jus had both! Hr and a half on the interstate, cruise set at 78 and ac blowing cold! Even blasted by a cpl sr5 yota's going up hill with the cruise on and their like wtf as they fell off!

When you cruise to the camp site in pure luxury and comfort.....then wheel the atv trails the same way when you get there!
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Unread 06-28-2013, 05:22 PM   #7888
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US-spec 2nd-generation Isuzu Rodeos all had either the 4.10:1 open, 4.10:1 positrac, or 4.36:1 positrac Dana 44 rear axle, depending on trim level and year.

Now, if you're talking about your ZJ, you have a D44A 3.73 positrac, which is most certainly not the same as the iron D44. All V8 ZJs post-95 have the 3.73:1 D44A posi rear end.
I had an open 3.73:1 D44A. Got a deal I couldn't refuse on a 3.73:1 D35 with a posi ($200.00 with a working posi).

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Unread 06-28-2013, 05:46 PM   #7889
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Unread 06-28-2013, 06:13 PM   #7890
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I had an open 3.73:1 D44A. Got a deal I couldn't refuse on a 3.73:1 D35 with a posi ($200.00 with a working posi).

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I'm under the impression all D44As are positrac, which is the main reason why the only lockers that got developed for it were a couple of lunchbox lockers. If you really had an open D44A, my feeling would be the posi clutches wore out.
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