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post #6211 of 10778 Old 03-17-2013, 07:36 PM
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Please tell me what your definition of 'built' is.
5.0l stroker with low compression forged pistons. Stock head, 99+ intake, head studs, turbo cam, and alot of boost


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post #6212 of 10778 Old 03-17-2013, 07:37 PM
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With the right money you could probably double that in a v8
A naturally aspirated 5.2l or 5.9l? Lol

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post #6213 of 10778 Old 03-17-2013, 08:00 PM
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With the right money you could probably double that in a v8
With boost, yes, but it would be some serious $$$$. A stock 5.2 / 5.9 block isn't strong enough to handle more than 700 - 800 hp reliably, so you'd need an aftermarket race block (R3 or Ritter), which is easily $2 - 4k on its own. Within reasonable means, the power potential of each motor is pretty similar, to be honest.

The 5.2 and 5.9 will definitely do a bit more in N/A form though, as there's no cam harmonic issue to worry about revving it, a bit more displacement to play with, especially considering you can stroke the 5.9 (360) out to a 426 (7 liters), and the stock bottom ends are pretty damn strong as long as you keep the pistons in one piece. I've heard of people making around 600hp (with boost) without touching the bottom end.
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post #6214 of 10778 Old 03-17-2013, 08:17 PM
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When you just have to go try out your 4WD in your grandpa's pasture with your DD ZJ...only have aftermath pictures but boy was it fun. Big swampy part of the field for some reason, slid all over the place and nearly got stuck at one point. Hadn't ever used the 4PT before outside of testing to make sure it worked . Can't wait to do it again, didn't go too nuts this first time because I needed it to get back home lol. Next time I want to cover it in mud!
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post #6215 of 10778 Old 03-17-2013, 09:10 PM
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With boost, yes, but it would be some serious $$$$. A stock 5.2 / 5.9 block isn't strong enough to handle more than 700 - 800 hp reliably, so you'd need an aftermarket race block (R3 or Ritter), which is easily $2 - 4k on its own. Within reasonable means, the power potential of each motor is pretty similar, to be honest.

The 5.2 and 5.9 will definitely do a bit more in N/A form though, as there's no cam harmonic issue to worry about revving it, a bit more displacement to play with, especially considering you can stroke the 5.9 (360) out to a 426 (7 liters), and the stock bottom ends are pretty damn strong as long as you keep the pistons in one piece. I've heard of people making around 600hp (with boost) without touching the bottom end.
Money is the secret see as many 1000+ hp diesel builds as I have, drop that kind of money into a 5.2 or a 5.9 and you aren't far away

Pure speculation though.
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post #6216 of 10778 Old 03-17-2013, 09:13 PM
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Money is the secret see as many 1000+ hp diesel builds as I have, drop that kind of money into a 5.2 or a 5.9 and you aren't far away

Pure speculation though.
Yeah. Building a 1000+ hp 5.9 stroker (440 cubes is easy with stroking / boring on some of the aftermarket blocks) is definitely doable, it just requires lots of $$$. Probably $3k for the block, another $4 - 6k for heads, cam, rotating assembly, etc. plus whatever boost setup you want to run. Easily a $12 - 15k+ endeavor.
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post #6217 of 10778 Old 03-17-2013, 09:14 PM
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Yeah. Building a 1000+ hp 5.9 stroker (440 cubes is easy with stroking / boring on some of the aftermarket blocks) is definitely doable, it just requires lots of $$$. Probably $3k for the block, another $4 - 6k for heads, cam, rotating assembly, etc. plus whatever boost setup you want to run. Easily a $12 - 15k+ endeavor.
Cheaper than buying a cummins 6.7
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post #6218 of 10778 Old 03-17-2013, 09:16 PM
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Cheaper than buying a cummins 6.7
Oh yeah, and I forgot to add the several thousand dollars worth of transmission to sit behind it, and the bigger rear axle and everything else you'd need. To make 1000hp in a ZJ would be easily $20k and up.
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post #6219 of 10778 Old 03-17-2013, 09:22 PM
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Oh yeah, and I forgot to add the several thousand dollars worth of transmission to sit behind it, and the bigger rear axle and everything else you'd need. To make 1000hp in a ZJ would be easily $20k and up.
Stiiiiiillllll cheaper than a 6.7
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post #6220 of 10778 Old 03-17-2013, 09:26 PM
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Oh yeah, and I forgot to add the several thousand dollars worth of transmission to sit behind it, and the bigger rear axle and everything else you'd need. To make 1000hp in a ZJ would be easily $20k and up.
9in ford and Martian saine transmission? Or a different trans? I know a lot of drag cars have 9in rear ends. A 1000 hp zj would be sweet!!!!

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post #6221 of 10778 Old 03-17-2013, 09:31 PM
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9in ford and Martian saine transmission? Or a different trans? I know a lot of drag cars have 9in rear ends. A 1000 hp zj would be sweet!!!!
9in or D60 should do. I'm not actually sure if a 46RE can be built strong enough for that. An old school 727 maybe, but I dunno if it's the best choice at that point.
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post #6222 of 10778 Old 03-17-2013, 09:34 PM
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9in or D60 should do. I'm not actually sure if a 46RE can be built strong enough for that. An old school 727 maybe, but I dunno if it's the best choice at that point.
That's when it's strip only. 727 is just a 3speed anyways isn't it? Who would want to street drive a 1000hp zj anyways?

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post #6224 of 10778 Old 03-17-2013, 10:04 PM
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That's when it's strip only. 727 is just a 3speed anyways isn't it? Who would want to street drive a 1000hp zj anyways?
Me too
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post #6225 of 10778 Old 03-18-2013, 01:01 AM
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It'd be asking for a ticket lol. I don't trust my zj past 90 lol
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