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Unread 02-21-2014, 07:01 PM   #30391
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does anyone know why a ZJ needs 4 female seatbelt ends for the back seat, or is it just mine?
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I think it had something's to do with car seats.

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Yes, they're for car seats.
Must have been part of an options package because my '93 Laredo has the extra buckle and my wife's '94 Laredo does not have it.

Did this a while back in one thread or another. Looks like this, right?


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Unread 02-21-2014, 08:15 PM   #30392
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Yes, they're for car seats.
Must have been part of an options package because my '93 Laredo has the extra buckle and my wife's '94 Laredo does not have it.

Did this a while back in one thread or another. Looks like this, right?
Yes that's how mine looks. That extra one that's longer than the others. Interesting, I really need to get a build sheet on this thing.
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Unread 02-21-2014, 09:22 PM   #30393
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It was an option thing on early ZJs that was cut after the '96 refresh. Something to do with carseats, but I don't know exactly. ZJs are pre-LATCH, I know that.
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Unread 02-21-2014, 10:18 PM   #30394
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Huh. My niner doesn't have that and my mom's 95 Laredo didn't either.
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Unread 02-21-2014, 10:43 PM   #30395
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It was an option thing on early ZJs that was cut after the '96 refresh. Something to do with carseats, but I don't know exactly. ZJs are pre-LATCH, I know that.
Pre-latch meaning..? My 95 limited has all those extra things a 90s vehicle has except the carseat strap loops, the little metal loops for the c-clip straps, and it's all OEM except what I've done.

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Unread 02-21-2014, 11:19 PM   #30396
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Lower Anchors and Tethers for Children (LATCH) is a standard adopted by the NHTSA in 2002 for child seat anchor points. It labels what is required of a LATCH point, and that all vehicles sold in the US after the standard's adoption must have proper LATCH points. Nothing really major, expensive, or groundbreaking was added to safety design by this, but it drastically improved child safety in accidents where a carseat was involved.

ZJs are, of course, pre-LATCH, so they have different methods of security. Early ZJs sometimes have 4 rear seatbelt plugs to accept a wider child seat in the middle of the bench, as at that time, the lap belt was the only securing device on a child seat. Later ZJs did away with it, as it cost money to have, and wasn't a popular option because the normal plug was sufficient. Thus the 4-buckle rear seat is pretty rare.
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Unread 02-21-2014, 11:20 PM   #30397
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Lower Anchors and Tethers for Children (LATCH) is a standard adopted by the NHTSA in 2002 for child seat anchor points. It labels what is required of a LATCH point, and that all vehicles sold in the US after the standard's adoption must have proper LATCH points. Nothing really major, expensive, or groundbreaking was added to safety design by this, but it drastically improved child safety in accidents where a carseat was involved.

ZJs are, of course, pre-LATCH, so they have different methods of security. Early ZJs sometimes have 4 rear seatbelt plugs to accept a wider child seat in the middle of the bench, as at that time, the lap belt was the only securing device on a child seat. Later ZJs did away with it, as it cost money to have, and wasn't a popular option because the normal plug was sufficient. Thus the 4-buckle rear seat is pretty rare.
Ahh, got ya. Didn't know that little tidbit. Thanks!

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Unread 02-22-2014, 03:38 AM   #30398
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Lower Anchors and Tethers for Children (LATCH) is a standard adopted by the NHTSA in 2002 for child seat anchor points. It labels what is required of a LATCH point, and that all vehicles sold in the US after the standard's adoption must have proper LATCH points. Nothing really major, expensive, or groundbreaking was added to safety design by this, but it drastically improved child safety in accidents where a carseat was involved.

ZJs are, of course, pre-LATCH, so they have different methods of security. Early ZJs sometimes have 4 rear seatbelt plugs to accept a wider child seat in the middle of the bench, as at that time, the lap belt was the only securing device on a child seat. Later ZJs did away with it, as it cost money to have, and wasn't a popular option because the normal plug was sufficient. Thus the 4-buckle rear seat is pretty rare.
Cool stuff. Thanks Schizo.
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Unread 02-22-2014, 07:21 AM   #30399
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Got the snorkel installed finally. Didn't like the part where the two parts come together in the fender and up the windshield. But I sealed the crap out of it. We'll see how she holds!!
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Unread 02-22-2014, 08:12 AM   #30400
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Lower Anchors and Tethers for Children (LATCH) is a standard adopted by the NHTSA in 2002 for child seat anchor points. It labels what is required of a LATCH point, and that all vehicles sold in the US after the standard's adoption must have proper LATCH points. Nothing really major, expensive, or groundbreaking was added to safety design by this, but it drastically improved child safety in accidents where a carseat was involved.

ZJs are, of course, pre-LATCH, so they have different methods of security. Early ZJs sometimes have 4 rear seatbelt plugs to accept a wider child seat in the middle of the bench, as at that time, the lap belt was the only securing device on a child seat. Later ZJs did away with it, as it cost money to have, and wasn't a popular option because the normal plug was sufficient. Thus the 4-buckle rear seat is pretty rare.
I was really surprised the first time I went to put my daughter's car seat in my ZJ and it didn't have at least a locking seat belt. The way the retainers work in ZJs for car seats is all in the buckle. Once you have pressure on the buckle, the belt cannot be loosened. That's a Chrysler design and many Chrysler's still had that after LATCH became a standard. Their system worked though, and still does. I'm not afraid to take my daughter for a ride in my ZJ. I'm sure she's safer in our Terrain, but we only take her in there for car shows and whatnot. I've also had her car seat in my Caprice a handful of times just to go for a ride with her and my wife. Obviously because it's from 94, it doesn't have the LATCH system in it. GM liked to use locking seat belts though, and still does. In the Terrain, we use the latch, then run the seat belt through the car seat and ensure that's locked as well just for added safety. IIRC, the manual says that's the proper way to install it anyhow.
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Unread 02-22-2014, 09:31 AM   #30401
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Lower Anchors and Tethers for Children (LATCH) is a standard adopted by the NHTSA in 2002 for child seat anchor points. It labels what is required of a LATCH point, and that all vehicles sold in the US after the standard's adoption must have proper LATCH points. Nothing really major, expensive, or groundbreaking was added to safety design by this, but it drastically improved child safety in accidents where a carseat was involved.

ZJs are, of course, pre-LATCH, so they have different methods of security. Early ZJs sometimes have 4 rear seatbelt plugs to accept a wider child seat in the middle of the bench, as at that time, the lap belt was the only securing device on a child seat. Later ZJs did away with it, as it cost money to have, and wasn't a popular option because the normal plug was sufficient. Thus the 4-buckle rear seat is pretty rare.
Nice tidbit!! Thanks I didn't know that!
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Unread 02-22-2014, 09:53 AM   #30402
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I was really surprised the first time I went to put my daughter's car seat in my ZJ and it didn't have at least a locking seat belt. The way the retainers work in ZJs for car seats is all in the buckle. Once you have pressure on the buckle, the belt cannot be loosened. That's a Chrysler design and many Chrysler's still had that after LATCH became a standard. Their system worked though, and still does. I'm not afraid to take my daughter for a ride in my ZJ. I'm sure she's safer in our Terrain, but we only take her in there for car shows and whatnot. I've also had her car seat in my Caprice a handful of times just to go for a ride with her and my wife. Obviously because it's from 94, it doesn't have the LATCH system in it. GM liked to use locking seat belts though, and still does. In the Terrain, we use the latch, then run the seat belt through the car seat and ensure that's locked as well just for added safety. IIRC, the manual says that's the proper way to install it anyhow.
The NHTSA says you're supposed to use the lower LATCH point only until the child and seat together weigh 65lbs, but frankly there's no reason not to use the seatbelt in addition to the LATCH anchor.

Personally, if I had a kid, the kid would never be in either of the cars I own. I'm just not convinced they're safe enough for a child, even if I am familiar with their driving dynamics to a T. Not to mention, children are messy. That said, I don't have a kid, and I don't intend to. I already can't afford my Jeep hobby, how could I possibly if I had to feed and clothe my own spawn?

Speaking of affording things, gotta go earn my keep. Stupid all-day shift at work.
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Unread 02-22-2014, 10:21 AM   #30403
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Kids are the greatest thing that has happened to me. I would never go back and not have kids. Yeah they are expensive and messy but they are a joy and give you experiences that you could never have without the rugrats.

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Unread 02-22-2014, 11:10 AM   #30404
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Kids are the greatest thing that has happened to me. I would never go back and not have kids. Yeah they are expensive and messy but they are a joy and give you experiences that you could never have without the rugrats.

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x2. Sure they drive me insane more days than not but what would I do without em
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Unread 02-22-2014, 12:01 PM   #30405
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Replaced my old worn out steering stabilizer.

It was like a bicycle pump...
To this standard white that every lift manufacturer sells:


Replaced my stock taillights to these that i bought from ebay:


Looks nice on a black ZJ

Then i did a lightbar for my reverse/work LED lights:

Just wiring left to do.

The steering stabilizer took only 15 minutes to replace, the right tools makes everything easier.
I borrowed this from work:

Here is the number on it if someone needs it or something similar:


I also tightend down my front trackbar, the bolt had loosend on it casuing death wobble at certain speeds, or when i hit a bump in the road.
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