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Unread 12-06-2013, 10:41 AM   #28171
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so how does it work then the 242

does it have a v.c. or a torsen or a flux capacitor ?
AWD in the 242 is an open center diff. IMO, it's utterly useless as it leads to fairly unpredictable behavior if you break traction.

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Unread 12-06-2013, 10:58 AM   #28172
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It's the rubber insert that fits into the cupholder and actually makes it usable lol. you can kind of see it in this picture


Yeah, need one! Thanks for the pic..
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Unread 12-06-2013, 11:12 AM   #28173
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I don't care who you are, where your from, what you did, as long as you don't drive fast in the rain and cause accidents. So your RWD vehicle loses traction in the rain? Maybe that's a sign to not drive fast in the rain. I don't care if you want to take your car to a track day event when it's wet outside, but don't treat the streets as a track. I see to many stupid people doing that around me, causing innocent people to get into wrecks. Half the time, the jag off driving like a tool doesn't even wreck; he just causes someone to wreck.
Try 3rd gear at 20mph around a 40mph cloverleaf in light rain at less than half throttle. Rear end just came out from under me. Believe me, I am as anti-street-racing as you are here. My 240 is not about driving fast in the rain it's about how difficult it is to keep a car that squirrelly from biting me in the *** in the rain. The damn thing will spin its tires up through 4th gear on a wet start. It is NOT fun. And this is just 150hp. So I'm a proponent of AWD as a method of getting enough traction into the road where you don't have to burn your clutch up and get cramps in both your feet just to take off from a light in 2nd gear.

Anyway, this happened:



Two days ago it was 80 degrees out. This kind of stuff always happens when the Jeep isn't working.
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Unread 12-06-2013, 11:17 AM   #28174
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We haven't had any snow yet only 41 degrees here right now and rain nothing but rain no fun in the snow yet
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Unread 12-06-2013, 11:19 AM   #28175
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Im looking forward to seeing how my Ram performs in the snow. Just got it a few days ago so we'll see.
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Unread 12-06-2013, 11:32 AM   #28176
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Im looking forward to seeing how my Ram performs in the snow. Just got it a few days ago so we'll see.
My old 97 did great, just make sure to put some weight in the bed.
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Unread 12-06-2013, 11:35 AM   #28177
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Yea i figure it will hold it's own. It's got 3 week old tires on it also so im sure that will help. Been looking into maybe a 3" lift, seems like no one makes lift springs for the back? All im finding are really tall blocks and it's already got 3" blocks in there from the factory lol.
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Unread 12-06-2013, 11:47 AM   #28178
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Try 3rd gear at 20mph around a 40mph cloverleaf in light rain at less than half throttle. Rear end just came out from under me. Believe me, I am as anti-street-racing as you are here. My 240 is not about driving fast in the rain it's about how difficult it is to keep a car that squirrelly from biting me in the *** in the rain. The damn thing will spin its tires up through 4th gear on a wet start. It is NOT fun. And this is just 150hp. So I'm a proponent of AWD as a method of getting enough traction into the road where you don't have to burn your clutch up and get cramps in both your feet just to take off from a light in 2nd gear.

Anyway, this happened:



Two days ago it was 80 degrees out. This kind of stuff always happens when the Jeep isn't working.
ohhhhh mannnnnnn !

im so sorry !

its like ...

its like ...

its just not describable how tragic this is
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Unread 12-06-2013, 11:48 AM   #28179
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The 240 is covered in ice and sitting on the summer tires I bought it with.



We don't have snow here, you see. We have freezing rain.
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Unread 12-06-2013, 11:50 AM   #28180
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If you've got traction problems that badly in the rain, the problem isn't being RWD, it's the tires. I have no issues at all driving my 5.9 in 2wd in the rain. Just don't go WOT in 1st and you're generally ok. Heck, I drive it around in 2wd in the snow most of the time, no issue there either. It does get tail happy in the snow and I have to keep it in check, but it's still better than 4wd when the snow isn't overly deep (part time understeers badly, full time isn't predictable enough).
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Unread 12-06-2013, 11:52 AM   #28181
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Yea i figure it will hold it's own. It's got 3 week old tires on it also so im sure that will help. Been looking into maybe a 3" lift, seems like no one makes lift springs for the back? All im finding are really tall blocks and it's already got 3" blocks in there from the factory lol.
nothing wrong with tall lift blocks...

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Unread 12-06-2013, 11:56 AM   #28182
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AWD in the 242 is an open center diff. IMO, it's utterly useless as it leads to fairly unpredictable behavior if you break traction.
so its 1wd then this is not awd

awd actively splits tq between the front and rear

4 hi activly spins the effeing wee out of whatever wheel will slip but makes a lot of noise and has riceboy respectability

i remember when i had fun replacing tires every week from the burnouts that would make my tires delaminate it sure was fun

i also remember crashing and almost killing a few people too

i like traction now
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Unread 12-06-2013, 11:57 AM   #28183
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240 made to drift see above post
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If you've got traction problems that badly in the rain, the problem isn't being RWD, it's the tires. I have no issues at all driving my 5.9 in 2wd in the rain. Just don't go WOT in 1st and you're generally ok. Heck, I drive it around in 2wd in the snow most of the time, no issue there either. It does get tail happy in the snow and I have to keep it in check, but it's still better than 4wd when the snow isn't overly deep (part time understeers badly, full time isn't predictable enough).
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Unread 12-06-2013, 12:15 PM   #28184
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240 made to drift see above post
To be fair it's a slowly progressing grip build. I think it's sitting on summer tires. Sure enough, in the dry it sticks very well. Regardless, there is a place for AWD and I enjoy its performance benefits.

As for the 242's AWD being tricky, I never had problems. While the AWD in that isn't as capable as the AWD in the 249 or 247 cases, it's better than part-time 4 on road, and has a part-time position for offroad. And no VC to fail.
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Unread 12-06-2013, 12:17 PM   #28185
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240 made to drift see above post
Yes, but that doesn't mean you should be able to spin through 4th with 150hp.
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