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Unread 12-05-2013, 06:02 PM   #28126
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awd is your friend
I don't know if I'll ever swap out the 249, I live it in snowy conditions.

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Unread 12-05-2013, 06:15 PM   #28127
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awd sux, selectable 4wd is the way to go. Absolutely no reason to be in 4wd on dry pavement and if you know how to drive, you dont need it in anything other than heavy snow or hwavy mud. Not to mention any 249 case with 120k or better needs a new VC which costs more than the case is worth.
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Unread 12-05-2013, 06:26 PM   #28128
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Chrysler made a big mistake when they introduced the 249. Theres no reason at all to have an awd vehicle. All it does is make the drivetrain work harder and puts a lot more strain and tension on the vehicle.

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Unread 12-05-2013, 06:48 PM   #28129
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Not a fan of the AWD either.
Cant' begin to count how many times a simple blip of the throttle in 2wd has saved my arse in the snow.
Try turning understeer into oversteer using a blip of the throttle with a 249....

4wd(on road) is only for those times when it's absolutely necessary, like accelerating from a stop going uphill in the snow, then when you get past the uphill part you go back to 2wd.
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Unread 12-05-2013, 06:54 PM   #28130
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awd sux, selectable 4wd is the way to go. Absolutely no reason to be in 4wd on dry pavement and if you know how to drive, you dont need it in anything other than heavy snow or hwavy mud. Not to mention any 249 case with 120k or better needs a new VC which costs more than the case is worth.
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Chrysler made a big mistake when they introduced the 249. Theres no reason at all to have an awd vehicle. All it does is make the drivetrain work harder and puts a lot more strain and tension on the vehicle.
bla bla same stupid argument everytime consists of these two weak points

counter , awd feels and drives better ( when it works lol just fix it pansy )

it has better launch road feel in all conditions

its strong a.f.

mine aint broke and it has 2xthe mileage of most ( lololol )

also that **** wouldntve happened if darkrocker had awd so theres that ...
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Unread 12-05-2013, 06:57 PM   #28131
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I saw several references to finding cup holders... what are these? Happen to have a pic?
It's the rubber insert that fits into the cupholder and actually makes it usable lol. you can kind of see it in this picture

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Unread 12-05-2013, 06:59 PM   #28132
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Not a fan of the AWD either.
Cant' begin to count how many times a simple blip of the throttle in 2wd has saved my arse in the snow.
Try turning understeer into oversteer using a blip of the throttle with a 249....
you mean every turn i take if there is snow on the ground

with a 249 *** need no saving

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4wd(on road) is only for those times when it's absolutely necessary, like accelerating from a stop going uphill in the snow, then when you get past the uphill part you go back to 2wd.
or doing 0-45 launches on snow nearly as quick as on dry
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Unread 12-05-2013, 07:19 PM   #28133
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An aftermarket VC is about 300 bucks, whole case isn't worth 300 bucks. I have no desire to be in 4wd every mile of every day. Absolutely no need. Hurts performance, uses more gas )not much but some) and it eats up tires faster. I did the 242 swap, love it, would never go back to a 249, rarely use 4wd period, didnt even need it through the snow last year. Anyone stupid enough to launch in the snow deserves what they get anyway.
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Unread 12-05-2013, 07:34 PM   #28134
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Wouldnt the fancy awd affect your gas mileage as well over a selectable 4wd not saying the awd ones are terrible my uncle drives one just would prefer a selectable 4wd since the awd system they put in the zjs was I guess was born from the duadratrac in the older full size jeeps which is a great 4wd setup compared to what is it called duadradrive? Or something to that nature I have seen more zjs and new grands have wiped front axles do to the awd system always being in 4wd. Even my friends 95 orvis edition is all time 4wd and he hasn't had any issues with it yet.
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Unread 12-05-2013, 07:37 PM   #28135
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The 249 is a VERY good case when it works. Once it fails i wouldnt bother repairing it. Believe it or not the 249-242 is only good for about 1mpg, but the performance difference is huge. I have a 98 5.9 with a 242 and some performance mods, i absolutely love being able to nail it and kick the @ss end out in traffic and watch the guy next to me in his honda shat himself lol
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Unread 12-05-2013, 07:42 PM   #28136
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Yes being able to smoke the tires when you mash the pedal is well its just wonderful lol and as far as the awd I can see when it works it does perform well but have seen many people out there make the mistake of mix matching tires around winter time it don't end well one of them I swear we could have boiled an egg on it.



On topic I pulled the stock kicker speakers from my 05 SRT 4 and put them in my jeep since I put some nice Boston's in my car. at least the jeep has some decent speakers in it now.
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Unread 12-05-2013, 07:42 PM   #28137
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or doing 0-45 launches on snow nearly as quick as on dry
Don't forget, us 231/242 guys can do that too. If we want to.

To each their own.

On topic:
Today, I loved it..... Because I can't afford to do anything else to it until pay day(tomorrow).

After all, I do own FOUR Jeeps..... Of course I'm broke!!!
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Unread 12-05-2013, 07:55 PM   #28138
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My 5 speed zj smokes the tires when I mash it lol mine only the 231 one I wouldn't mind having the ful land part time but oh well I rarely use my 4wd even in the bush no need for it my zj is a tank all I gotta do is out her in 1st gear and let it crawl I actually own 3 jeeps my 93 zj a 96 xj I bought for my wife and my rare 79 chief only 60k miles and full frame up.
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Unread 12-05-2013, 08:06 PM   #28139
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My old 4 speed 94 toyots tercel smoked tires also lol anything with a manual can smoke up. Now a 5.9 5 speed............
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Unread 12-05-2013, 08:11 PM   #28140
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It's true that if I had a 249 that probably wouldn't have happened but if I could choose I would take a 242 just because I have the option of being able to choose what I want and when. 2WD for normal driving and RWD fun. 4FT for any inclement conditions and 4PT/4LO for driving off the pavement/bad snow/stuck etc. Even though I know full well I was doing the right thing by keeping the 4PT off you have no idea how much I'm kicking myself over it. I had it turned on briefly not even 2 miles up the road when I made slushy turn. Was gonna just say **** it and keep it on just in case but decided it wasn't worth the wear and tear. Even if the t-case blew I'd be in much better shape than I am now -sighs-.
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