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Unread 08-24-2013, 11:39 PM   #25141
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Drove it to North Richland Hills (a drive of about 25 miles) to pick up a bike for a project I'm working on. About 15 miles in, my new steering damper let go and I was wobbling all over the place. She wouldn't stay steady for longer than 500 feet. On top of that, my cooling system decided it didn't work as well as it needed to and the Jeep started running hot. I was able to keep it from overheating, through tactical use of the heater, but that shouldn't be happening. Also, whenever the temperature exceeds 215, the oil pressure drops to 0 at idle. Like, not 10, not 15, 0. Gotta look into that.

And then, all the wobbling tore up one of my swaybar link balljoints and the boots on both the knuckle ball joints have split.

So I'm basically looking at doing a full steering overhaul. New bushings for everything, new drag link, new tie rod, upsized track bar, new steering damper, all on top of the new steering box and inner tie rod end I put in. So I'm looking at a bit over $500 for all the stuff I need and want to do, all told. And then, of course, fixing the alignment. I've got 2.25" of lift, any suggestions for additional front suspension and steering type parts I might want to throw in while I'm blowing my last red cent?
Steering damper isnt designed to control death wobble so your "new" one may not be bad. You probably got it from another bad component I.e. ball joints or if you have the oe style track bar those are usually the things that give you it. Especially if your track bar is original. Obviously you can get dw from other things or a combo of multiple things.

I would suggest a double shear front adjustable track bar and replace the other worn components and go from there

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Unread 08-24-2013, 11:40 PM   #25142
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SchizophrenicMc: also control arm bushings

Edit: Nevermind...cgcarpenter beat me to it lol
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Unread 08-24-2013, 11:42 PM   #25143
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Tried to do this and dropped a 1/4-20 behind the pulley. Now, when I finally get the clutch off, I have to remove the pulley too to get that bolt. I talked with a mechanic buddy about it today though and another option is hitting the nut with an air chisel. According to him, that's the only way to do it quickly and easily and it works every time. I'm borrowing an air chisel to see how well it actually works.



You'll like them. I love my Duratracs.
sorry for your luck man , wouldnt a magnet do the trick to get the metal out though ?

dont worry it rains **** here from time to time as well
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Unread 08-25-2013, 12:19 AM   #25144
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Well I took a few days away from her to go camping but I drove her around quite a bit today when I got back. Now that I got her rollin around pretty good I think its time to start seriously gettin ready to do the 231 swap. I talked to my buddys dad who was a mechanic for 20 plus years about re building the t case before I do the swap and the first thing he asked was what does the fluid in the case look like? I told him it was nice and red and looked pretty good and that it didnt appear to habe been leaking from what i could tell by looking at it. He told me not to waste my time, just swap it in and call it good. I do already have the rebuild kit which I ordered from quadratec however I've never re built a t case before so I'm not sure what kind of task it would be to go ahead and do it anyway. I found the NP231 service manual online today and I'm seeing a lot of specialty tools so I'm a little nervous about giving it a go, what do you guys think?
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Unread 08-25-2013, 12:28 AM   #25145
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New to my ZJ, but had a trick YJ that would not work with twin newborns. So it starts again...
Today I set aside 30 minutes to replace spark plug wires, dist and rotor. 3 hours later ...
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Unread 08-25-2013, 05:24 AM   #25146
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Well I took a few days away from her to go camping but I drove her around quite a bit today when I got back. Now that I got her rollin around pretty good I think its time to start seriously gettin ready to do the 231 swap. I talked to my buddys dad who was a mechanic for 20 plus years about re building the t case before I do the swap and the first thing he asked was what does the fluid in the case look like? I told him it was nice and red and looked pretty good and that it didnt appear to habe been leaking from what i could tell by looking at it. He told me not to waste my time, just swap it in and call it good. I do already have the rebuild kit which I ordered from quadratec however I've never re built a t case before so I'm not sure what kind of task it would be to go ahead and do it anyway. I found the NP231 service manual online today and I'm seeing a lot of specialty tools so I'm a little nervous about giving it a go, what do you guys think?
Haven't been in a 231 but with my 249/242 swap all that was really needed was a GOOD set of snap ring pliers.
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Unread 08-25-2013, 06:51 AM   #25147
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Haven't been in a 231 but with my 249/242 swap all that was really needed was a GOOD set of snap ring pliers.
Ok cool I think I can manage picking up a good set of snap ring pliers. Other than that should a basic set of wrenches and sockets do the job? What did you use to pull the old bearings and press in the new ones?
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Unread 08-25-2013, 07:11 AM   #25148
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sorry for your luck man , wouldnt a magnet do the trick to get the metal out though ?

dont worry it rains **** here from time to time as well
My magnet has too big of a tip on it. I'll see if I can get a smaller one. That was my first intuition.


And Schitzo, a steering stabilizer is NEVER the cause of or solution to death wobble. It's been gone over many a time on here.
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Unread 08-25-2013, 07:52 AM   #25149
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today i just had fun. no repair, no maintenance.... just fun with the first rain in over a month.

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Unread 08-25-2013, 07:55 AM   #25150
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Ok cool I think I can manage picking up a good set of snap ring pliers. Other than that should a basic set of wrenches and sockets do the job? What did you use to pull the old bearings and press in the new ones?
Notched block of wood and a hammer
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Unread 08-25-2013, 07:56 AM   #25151
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Got a call at 1:30 this morning from my brother, he and another fellow decided to try to run their trucks through a creek bottom. one has a ford F250, the other had a newer body style chevy 1500. both 4wd.as I arrived I saw the trucks both buried up past the axles in mud, very very stuck. So big brother took his little Jeep and proceeded to pull the chevy out. I used my Snatchblock along with my 4inch tow strap, I was anchored of course. As his friend was backing up he turned sharply and ran his nice and at the time scratch free passenger door into the front driver corner of the ZJ. He now has an excellent scratch and indentation in that door. so after that fiasco I moved onto pulling my brothers f250 out with zero problems, my XRC8 didn't have a single problem pulling either of them out. all together it took about an hour to pull both of them out, funny note his friends dad showed up (he is the owner of the property) he then walked over to me as I was winching and made a joke about how sad it is that these two big trucks got pulled out by this dinky assed Jeep. My brother is now at home cleaning my gear and greasing what needs to be greased.

that is what I got into this morning with it. I am now on Duty at the Fire Department. gave the ol girl a wash and realized that the Headlight is broke as well. we shall see if I fix it or not.
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Unread 08-25-2013, 08:53 AM   #25152
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Tossed on the new liftgate bumpers on yesterday and moved it to do the heater core on my cousins WJ. While backing out of the driveway I got the 'coolant sensor bad' message.

Looks like it's time to invest in a soldering iron.
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Unread 08-25-2013, 10:15 AM   #25153
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Interested in replacing headlights for a brighter more effective headlight assembly. Any suggestions?
Also, my headlight aim screws/tabs have broken. Does anyone know where to get replacements?
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Unread 08-25-2013, 11:41 AM   #25154
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Steering damper isnt designed to control death wobble so your "new" one may not be bad. You probably got it from another bad component I.e. ball joints or if you have the oe style track bar those are usually the things that give you it. Especially if your track bar is original. Obviously you can get dw from other things or a combo of multiple things.

I would suggest a double shear front adjustable track bar and replace the other worn components and go from there
I know for a fact the cause of my death wobble is worn bushings and play in the track bar mounts. I have read, however, that a good steering damper (I needed one anyway; the old one was factory) will suppress the oscillation for a period of time, until I can afford to replace the parts that need it. The damper didn't help at all, though. It fades instantly and then I can't go more than 500 feet without wobble.

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Control arm bushings may be causing some of the problem as well.

Losing the stabilizer wouldn't cause that much wobble if everything was good/decent.

So I suggest control arm bushing and trackbar or your problem will likely return.
Already on the bushings (Daystar CA bushings any good?) and adjustable track bar, since I know those are the main cause of my wobble.

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My magnet has too big of a tip on it. I'll see if I can get a smaller one. That was my first intuition.


And Schitzo, a steering stabilizer is NEVER the cause of or solution to death wobble. It's been gone over many a time on here.
I know that. I can read. It can, however, suppress wobble for a time, but mine is severe enough that it doesn't last long before the damper fluid boils and fades. I can get maybe 10-15 miles before the damper overheats. Early into a trip you can feel it try to wobble but stop because the damper is working. After the damper overheats the wobble starts and immediately shakes the vehicle up.
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Unread 08-25-2013, 11:42 AM   #25155
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Gave her a full detail, first time since before I did the lift so she was looooong overdue. Also plastidipped the front bumper, then d out to be a pretty good idea cuz it looks a lot better now.
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