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post #931 of 3109 Old 11-27-2011, 05:11 PM
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Squazz - Motor oil (5W-30 or similar) won't hurt the 242 at all.

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Squazz - Motor oil (5W-30 or similar) won't hurt the 242 at all.
Motor oil won't hurt, but it needs changed much more often. Motor oil doesn't have near the amount of detergents and cleaning agents ATF has so the case won't stay nearly as clean.

Want to swap an NP242 or NP231 into your ZJ? Here's how:
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f13/n...pdated-685644/
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The t-case doesn't have much dirt introduced to the oil, so detergents aren't a concern (plus, the ATF having more detergents thing hasn't applied since the mid 90s, modern oils have a lot more detergent than older ones). The reason it needs frequent changing is that it's not designed to stand up to continued pressure from gear drives, etc, so the pressure additives wear out faster.
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Ok guys so i have a 1993 jeep grand cherokee limited 5.2 V8 with the 4hi N 4lo options. I need to replace the transfer case because it is majorly cracked and winter is coming fast. I need to know what kind of transfer case this jeep take and if any one has any suggestions to a modified tcase or a t case change. Ive herd a lot about the 242. Will this work in my jeep? let me know
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Ok guys so i have a 1993 jeep grand cherokee limited 5.2 V8 with the 4hi N 4lo options. I need to replace the transfer case because it is majorly cracked and winter is coming fast. I need to know what kind of transfer case this jeep take and if any one has any suggestions to a modified tcase or a t case change. Ive herd a lot about the 242. Will this work in my jeep? let me know
thanks
I believe you can get a 242 that will bolt up as long as it has the same input shaft length and spline. I have same 93 v8, they should have 23 spline with 1.55" input shaft I believe. If you're looking for the 231 there is no direct swap, you will have to swap input shafts. There is a gear cut change mid 94 for the input shaft so look for a case made before that if you're swapping inputs. Stay pre-95 on all transfer cases.

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So I did this after swaping in the 242

and in every position it says "service 4wd switch" am I doing it wrong? or could the switch be faulty? Will the 249 switch work?
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I believe you can get a 242 that will bolt up as long as it has the same input shaft length and spline. I have same 93 v8, they should have 23 spline with 1.55" input shaft I believe. If you're looking for the 231 there is no direct swap, you will have to swap input shafts. There is a gear cut change mid 94 for the input shaft so look for a case made before that if you're swapping inputs. Stay pre-95 on all transfer cases.
For early (93-95) v8's, there is NO bolt in swap besides another early np249 due to the required input shaft length into the 46rh trans found in these early v8's. You WILL have to do some input shaft swapping or case half swapping to get anything but another 249. And I believe the gear cut change started showing up around March or April of 1994, so be sure to check the tag on the rear of the case and get the date.

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For early (93-95) v8's, there is NO bolt in swap besides another early np249 due to the required input shaft length into the 46rh trans found in these early v8's. You WILL have to do some input shaft swapping or case half swapping to get anything but another 249. And I believe the gear cut change started showing up around March or April of 1994, so be sure to check the tag on the rear of the case and get the date.
Ok my bad. Had a feeling there was NO direct swap but thought I saw somewhere that said there was a 242 with 1.55 input shaft. Thank you tho.

As for the swap, are there pros/cons to swapping the front half vs the input shaft, or is it just a convenience thing?

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Ok my bad. Had a feeling there was NO direct swap but thought I saw somewhere that said there was a 242 with 1.55 input shaft. Thank you tho.

As for the swap, are there pros/cons to swapping the front half vs the input shaft, or is it just a convenience thing?
It's a gear cut thing. If you've got an old (93) 249 and a, say, 95 242, the gear cuts are different on the inputs, so you can't swap them. But you can swap the whole front halves of 242's and 249's with relative ease, allowing you to use your front half of your 249 with correct input on a rear half of a 242.

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It's a gear cut thing. If you've got an old (93) 249 and a, say, 95 242, the gear cuts are different on the inputs, so you can't swap them. But you can swap the whole front halves of 242's and 249's with relative ease, allowing you to use your front half of your 249 with correct input on a rear half of a 242.
Oh ok I gotcha. Didn't know if the gear cut affected that or not.

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so i picked up a 231 J out of a 93 xj today. the tag says 231 J but i thought these had a rubber boot on them compared to the 231 which didnt? will it still work? i plan on swapping the input shafts with the one in my 249.

edit: and can i use the shifter handle from my 249? cause the guy didnt give me the one out of his xj, thanks

edit again: and how much, if any, tranny fluid will leak out of the tranny when i separate that and the t-case? i just spent $100 on atf for my tranny and i dont want any leaking out
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so i picked up a 231 J out of a 93 xj today. the tag says 231 J but i thought these had a rubber boot on them compared to the 231 which didnt? will it still work? i plan on swapping the input shafts with the one in my 249.

edit: and can i use the shifter handle from my 249? cause the guy didnt give me the one out of his xj, thanks

edit again: and how much, if any, tranny fluid will leak out of the tranny when i separate that and the t-case? i just spent $100 on atf for my tranny and i dont want any leaking out
You'll get some, but shouldn't be catastrophic. Replace the trans seal while it's out for good measure.

The case will still work. Driveshaft issues might come up, but the input swap should be good.

What do you mean by shifter handle? If you mean by the actual handle in the Jeep, yes. You will, however, need the tab that goes on the transfer case from the 231.

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You'll get some, but shouldn't be catastrophic. Replace the trans seal while it's out for good measure.

The case will still work. Driveshaft issues might come up, but the input swap should be good.

What do you mean by shifter handle? If you mean by the actual handle in the Jeep, yes. You will, however, need the tab that goes on the transfer case from the 231.
how much fluid are we talking? is it enough to worry about re-filling? and the case came with the tab you are talking about, so im set with that, right? and would i be able to tell if the driveshafts will fit or not before putting the case in? if they are too long or too short, can i find shafts at a jy? thanks for the info.
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how much fluid are we talking? is it enough to worry about re-filling?.
All depends how much of an angle you leave the trans on after removing the crossmember I lost about a quart the seal was easy and cost about 10$
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All depends how much of an angle you leave the trans on after removing the crossmember I lost about a quart the seal was easy and cost about 10$
i have a set of car ramps i was planning on using. if i drive the rear wheels onto them to get the back end up more than the front, would i lose less fluid? or would it not make a difference?
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