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post #1 of 32 Old 01-22-2012, 09:44 PM Thread Starter
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Tires for snow

I am thinking about buying some new tires for the snow. Right now i am running 32" BFG All Terrains. my ZJ is lifted 4.5" so i can go a little bigger in the tire dept. Any ideas on what i should buy?

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post #2 of 32 Old 01-22-2012, 10:55 PM
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JP Magazine, March 2012, has a tire test with 33 tires listed and rated for street, sand, mud, rocks, snow, and ice. On average, mud tires are rated less well performing on snow/ice and All Terrain tires are rated better performing on snow/ice. A/T's are rated lower performing for mud and M/T's are rated higher.

For pavement driving in winter, an aggressive A/T is a better choice than an M/T.

GoodYear DuraTrac, GoodYear Silent Armour, Pro-Comp Extreme A/T, and BFG A/T KO are rated highest on snow/ice for A/T's.

GoodYear MTR, Mikey Thompson MTZ, and Nitto Trail Grappler, are the highest rated snow/ice M/T's.

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post #5 of 32 Old 01-23-2012, 12:40 AM
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Bfg all terrains in my opinion there is no better
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I hate BFG AT. They like to cup on the outter edge after a while. Then you have to balance them all the friggen time. Junk!

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Bfg all terrains in my opinion there is no better
Uumh.. no.

I've had this opinion on my head for quite a while, and after the wheeling trip last Sat. it became even more evident. BFG ATs simply 100% suck BIG TIME on snow. They are way overrated as winter/ snow tires IMO.

I honestly don't get it how so many tests and so many people over there like 'em in the snow. I myself am running 32 x 11.50 BFG MT KM2s, they did great on the snow wheeling in about 10"-15" of snow. Burst a rear tire, swapped in a BFG AT and after that I was going no-where! Even at full throttle the tread wouldn't clean up, where in MTs I hardly ever even got snow in the treads at light throttle.

For the road, the BFG AT has a really crappy tread pattern (no siping, just that weird kind of wiggly whatever ) and it has very hard rubber compound that gives you a lot of miles. But those make it a really horrible tire for packed snow and ice, and also slush won't get out of the treads/ from under the tire because there are no openings from the center towards edges to take it out.

If it were me and was looking for new set of tires and wanted snow grip and offroad capabilities, I would be looking at Goodyear Duratracks. They have a really nice looking tread pattern that could actually do something to privode grip in both on the road and off the road, and they have siping on the knobs to provide adequate packed snow/ ice grip. Heck, they even have pre-drilled holes to install studs for ice grip.

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ive never had trouble with bfg at's in snow check the pic i didnt spin the tires out there and had no problem maybe my jeep is lighter since it has the 4.0 i only used full time 4wd , and it has some cupping but no vibrations at 80 mph.

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ive never had trouble with bfg at's in snow check the pic i didnt spin the tires out there and had no problem maybe my jeep is lighter since it has the 4.0 i only used full time 4wd , and it has some cupping but no vibrations at 80 mph.
I had a set of BFG ATs for a while in winter, and sold them because they were so bad. Trust me, they are crap! That snow in your picture isn't too deep, you could probably make it there with pretty much any tire that has some sort of grooves.

Try any tire that has even half- decent tread pattern for snow, and you understand why BFG ATs suck. The fact you made it to a certain spot in snow does not make it a good snow tire. A good snow tire has tread pattern that slings out snow from the tread (keeps it clean, that is), preferrably has siping (like in true winter tires), and has soft rubber compound. BFG AT lack ALL of those qualities. Like I wrote, it is way overrated.

We had one guy with 31" ATs driving a Suzuki Sammy last saturday on hour wheeling trip. He couldn't even get out of the parking area that had slightly under 10" of snow, from where all others just drove off to trail head. For packed snow, the ATs suck even more because they don't have any kind of edges on the tread that would "bite" the snow like siped tires do. I say it again, GY Duratrack has the kind of tread pattern that should make it good in both packed snow and deeper stuff. It's still far from true winter tires, but certainly way better than the average MT or BFG AT..

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I've had bath bfg ats and general grabber at2s, the bfgs did kinda suck in the snow but I love my generals. So much more siping and wider lugs than the bfgs, you should check them out.
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ive never had trouble with bfg at's in snow check the pic i didnt spin the tires out there and had no problem maybe my jeep is lighter since it has the 4.0 i only used full time 4wd , and it has some cupping but no vibrations at 80 mph.
Lol that's a light dusting. My buddies BMW is RWD and can drive through that without spinning if he has his snow tires on.

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post #13 of 32 Old 01-23-2012, 02:27 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks for the advice everyone. So far i like what i hear about the goodyear duratracs. I am not buying them for about 3 weeks so i will keep studying up.
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Even though BFG ATs are snowflake rated, they are NOT winter tires! Currently to obtain the rating, the tires are tested on snow only, not ice. Most AT tires would pass the test, but they are not ideal for winter driving.

I've never had any trouble with the destination ATs on snowy (NOT icy) roads. However, as soon as the snow compacts and ice starts forming on the surface (mainly at intersections), they loose traction. That's why I bought true winter tire (Bridgestone Blizzak DM-V1). Michelin X-ice has similar performance. However, do not expect miracles. On average winter tires will give you ~ 20% more traction, which is not that much but still helps (more on ice). Studs only help when temperatures are around freezing (32F). If the temps dip below say 12F, ice becomes too hard for the studs to penetrate and you may even loose traction. The best choice really depends on the local climate and your intended use (city/hwy or unplowed roads/offroad)

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Bfg at isn't all that bad, duratracs are all the rage. I'd buy Duratracs in a heartbeat
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