Teraflex 4" WJ Springs - Page 2

**Wheelin98TJ** · 09-03-2009, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by gatorayde

Man I wish you could've ridden in my WJ down death wobble road at 4.5" on short arms

Short arms do not cause death wobble if that is what you are implying.

gatorayde · 09-03-2009, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Wheelin98TJ

Short arms do not cause death wobble if that is what you are implying.

DW road = road filled with pot holes = very harsh ride on short arms at 4.5" of lift

**ArloGuthroJeep** · 09-03-2009, 12:00 PM

Short arms don't cause it, but long arms allow components to last longer and become more resistant to DW. The improved angles are allowing my bushings to last 4 times as long as they did on short arms. Ride is smoother.

So far the LCA's haven't held me up on any rocks, sure I hit them but they just slide over them. I am sure I'll eventually find myself in a situation that they'll hang me up, but until then it is my belly that gets me stuck.

**xJoshxx** · 09-03-2009, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ArloGuthroJeep

Short arms don't cause it, but long arms allow components to last longer and become more resistant to DW. The improved angles are allowing my bushings to last 4 times as long as they did on short arms. Ride is smoother.

So far the LCA's haven't held me up on any rocks, sure I hit them but they just slide over them. I am sure I'll eventually find myself in a situation that they'll hang me up, but until then it is my belly that gets me stuck.

~ ~ reason i havent bought any Control arms yet is because i read 4" on Short arms are horrible then i read 4" on short arms no problems

then i read WORST IDEA EVER IS TO LIFT ON SHORT ARMS

then long arms every allways balls deep in these.

Im going to be using tera flex 4" springs RE Monotubes. on short arms Now since i cant afford long arms atm cause IRO doesnt have layaway haha.

which would be better to get first lower adjustables or upper adjustable's or see how it rides on Short Arms?

**Wheelin98TJ** · 09-03-2009, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by xJoshxx

...which would be better to get first lower adjustables or upper adjustable's or see how it rides on Short Arms?

The first arms to get are adjustable lowers for the front and adjustable uppers for the rear.

The adjustable lowers in the front allow you to adjust caster and dial in your alignment.

Adjustable uppers in the rear allow you to adjust the pinion angle.

Adjustable uppers in the front are mainly used for adjusting the pinion angle and for correcting driveline vibrations. It is rare that you get driveline angle probelms with the front because how much longer the front driveshaft is, so most people opt for the adjustable lowers first so you can align it.

Adjustable lowers in the rear adjust wheelbase. If you lengthen the lowers to get the wheelbase back, you will be tipping the pinion angle on the axle down at the same time. And as you probably already know, tipping the pinion on the axle down is the opposite direction it needs to go when you do a lift. So in other words, if you lengthen the lowers, you also need to lengthen the uppers.

**xJoshxx** · 09-03-2009, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Wheelin98TJ

The first arms to get are adjustable lowers for the front and adjustable uppers for the rear.

The adjustable lowers in the front allow you to adjust caster and dial in your alignment.

Adjustable uppers in the rear allow you to adjust the pinion angle.

Adjustable uppers in the front are mainly used for adjusting the pinion angle and for correcting driveline vibrations. It is rare that you get driveline angle probelms with the front because how much longer the front driveshaft is, so most people opt for the adjustable lowers first so you can align it.

Adjustable lowers in the rear adjust wheelbase. If you lengthen the lowers to get the wheelbase back, you will be tipping the pinion angle on the axle down at the same time. And as you probably already know, tipping the pinion on the axle down is the opposite direction it needs to go when you do a lift. So in other words, if you lengthen the lowers, you also need to lengthen the uppers.

wj's Do not have adjustable Upper rears you have to add a A-ARM Spacer so only rear lowers are for the WJ

but thanks for the Extra info your profile says WJ Do you have 4 Control arms in the Rear? because the rear on wj's doesnt even have a spot to mount upper control arms

**the88thpianoman** · 09-03-2009, 01:00 PM

No upper control arms in the back of a WJ. Just the lowers and the A-arm.

Edit: beat me to it.

**ArloGuthroJeep** · 09-03-2009, 01:06 PM

He was referring to general suspension geometry...

**Wheelin98TJ** · 09-03-2009, 02:25 PM

Woops, sometimes I forget where I'm posting.

You guys are right - no "uppers" on a WJ but rather an A-arm.

My WJ does still have the stock a-arm setup. I do not have a custom 4-link setup in the WJ.

The info listed in my profile is for my TJ which does have a 4-link rear.

**Wheelin98TJ** · 09-03-2009, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ArloGuthroJeep

He was referring to general suspension geometry...

Even if what I said is not applicable, it does make sense and it applies somehow, right?

darmstro · 09-03-2009, 06:36 PM

My teraflex springs came in yesterday. Shipping to Canada after I handed the UPS guy an additional $60 came to about $150. Still a good deal, but fook me. $150 to get $150 springs.

**xJoshxx** · 09-03-2009, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by darmstro

My teraflex springs came in yesterday. Shipping to Canada after I handed the UPS guy an additional $60 came to about $150. Still a good deal, but fook me. $150 to get $150 springs.

why would u hand him more $$$? ive never tipped my UPS guy EVER.

gatorayde · 09-03-2009, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by xJoshxx

why would u hand him more $$$? ive never tipped my UPS guy EVER.

He meant that it cost him an extra $60 in shipping charges to canada.

darmstro · 09-03-2009, 07:35 PM

UPS has a tendancy to pick up every nickel and dime in brokerage/customs/duty fees when shipping across the border. USPS, not so much. So yeah, that's $60 extra, or the UPS guy doesn't give you your stuff.

**silentbob21** · 09-03-2009, 08:11 PM

so anyone else rockin 4" on short arms... and there is a huge difference between stock arms and short adjustables i am sure... with just trackbar shocks and springs... chances of DW are there, but depending on condition of components, lets say good.... how would it be ? I am more worried about wheel position in the wheel well and driveline angles than anything really. will the stock driveshafts hold up to that ? or would it be better to go with 3" of lift....

09-03-2009, 06:36 PM	#26
darmstro Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43 Profile Gallery Classifieds My Jeeps	My teraflex springs came in yesterday. Shipping to Canada after I handed the UPS guy an additional $60 came to about $150. Still a good deal, but fook me. $150 to get $150 springs.

09-03-2009, 07:35 PM	#29
darmstro Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43 Profile Gallery Classifieds My Jeeps	UPS has a tendancy to pick up every nickel and dime in brokerage/customs/duty fees when shipping across the border. USPS, not so much. So yeah, that's $60 extra, or the UPS guy doesn't give you your stuff.