Steering is driving me nuts - JeepForum.com
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 23 Old 09-16-2017, 11:43 AM Thread Starter
Mopar4U
Registered User
1996 ZJ 
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Posts: 157
Steering is driving me nuts

96 zj limited 5.2 awd 133,000 miles. Stock no lift

Still wanders down the road, left right left right.

Has new:
Moog track bar with grade 12.9 m10 bolt torqued to 80ft lbs. axle side hole has been cleaned up and is as tight as can be without being a press fit.

Spicer upper and lower ball joints

Rebuilt steering box

Front and rear sway bars are rebuilt with moog bushings and links

Moog tie rod ends

Moog drag link

Steering stabilizer shock

Alignment was done


I havent done any control arms. Alignment shop said they seemed ok and im not sure how to verify if they are good or not. Previous owner put new napa control arms on about 30,000 miles ago but i cant tell if he did the upper pressed in bushing.


Suggestions?

Mopar4U is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 23 Old 09-16-2017, 02:06 PM
GOLDWING
Registered User
1998 ZJ 
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: eau claire
Posts: 1,206
Did you check the steering box before you installed it? When I replaced mine with a low mileage JY part I went through the adjustments per the FSM. I checked my work with a dial indicator and had almost zero slack between input and output. The adjustments MUST be done with the box out of the vehicle.

GW

2 '98 4.0 ZJs
Hers is stock, mine, OME shocks, BB, Aussie, 2x6 sliders, 31s, etc.
GOLDWING is online now  
post #3 of 23 Old 09-16-2017, 02:23 PM Thread Starter
Mopar4U
Registered User
1996 ZJ 
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Posts: 157
Quote:
Originally Posted by GOLDWING View Post
Did you check the steering box before you installed it? When I replaced mine with a low mileage JY part I went through the adjustments per the FSM. I checked my work with a dial indicator and had almost zero slack between input and output. The adjustments MUST be done with the box out of the vehicle.

GW
I didnt, description said pre-calibrated. steering feels firm, doesnt feel like dead spots.
Mopar4U is offline  
 
post #4 of 23 Old 09-16-2017, 05:17 PM
nicyousuckk
Registered User
1998 ZJ 
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: phoenix
Posts: 271
What kind of rebuilt box? Many of them are junk straight out of the box.
nicyousuckk is offline  
post #5 of 23 Old 09-16-2017, 05:23 PM
jrobeson18
Registered User
1997 ZJ 
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Gastonia
Posts: 444
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by nicyousuckk View Post
What kind of rebuilt box? Many of them are junk straight out of the box.
+1 I had to get one from crown to get a good one. I think I went through 8-10 from Carquest/napa. got the crown from kolak.

1997 ZJ 4.0 4x4, 190.5K, Rebuild 42RE, VIC delete Cubby, Cup holder insert, 5.9 Sound Bar, Logan's retrofit HID Projector headlamps, and much more to come
jrobeson18 is offline  
post #6 of 23 Old 09-16-2017, 05:29 PM Thread Starter
Mopar4U
Registered User
1996 ZJ 
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Posts: 157
its a lares
https://www.rockauto.com/?carcode=1182192&parttype=7416

does it matter that i have the speed porportional steering?
Mopar4U is offline  
post #7 of 23 Old 09-16-2017, 05:59 PM
nicyousuckk
Registered User
1998 ZJ 
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: phoenix
Posts: 271
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mopar4U View Post
I wouldn't be at all surprised if that was your problem.

I'm currently on my 3rd napa box... I first replaced my steering gearbox because the stock ZJ one was puking fluid. Instantly the steering got much looser when I installed the reman. box. That one started leaking about a year later, second one was dead out of the box (acted like it had no power steering), third one has started leaking within about six months.

My next purchase will either be a crown from Kolak or a new PSC/AGR gearbox.
nicyousuckk is offline  
post #8 of 23 Old 09-16-2017, 07:53 PM Thread Starter
Mopar4U
Registered User
1996 ZJ 
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Posts: 157
wow, those are $300+! are there any good options that wont break the bank?
Mopar4U is offline  
post #9 of 23 Old 09-16-2017, 08:39 PM
nicyousuckk
Registered User
1998 ZJ 
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: phoenix
Posts: 271
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mopar4U View Post
wow, those are $300+! are there any good options that wont break the bank?
I guess it depends on your definition of "good". You could play gearbox roulette with the parts store's reman pieces and hope you end up with a good one. How much do you value your time and effort? It takes me about 3 hours to replace a steering gear box (with system bleed).

I'm really not sure how much Kolak charges for a crown box but I guarantee it's a good price for what you're getting. PSC/AGR are quite expensive but I've heard good things about both products.
nicyousuckk is offline  
post #10 of 23 Old 09-17-2017, 07:31 AM Thread Starter
Mopar4U
Registered User
1996 ZJ 
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Posts: 157
Kolak price is $360. Redhead is around $300 + core.

I think what im gonna do is disconnect the input/intermediate shaft from the box and try rotating the input shaft to see if there is slop. If there is slop can it be fixed by doing the preload and over the top adjustment?
Mopar4U is offline  
post #11 of 23 Old 09-17-2017, 11:26 AM Thread Starter
Mopar4U
Registered User
1996 ZJ 
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Posts: 157
also wondering if there is any advantage of going to the durango steering box if i remain all stock?
Mopar4U is offline  
post #12 of 23 Old 09-17-2017, 11:44 AM
GOLDWING
Registered User
1998 ZJ 
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: eau claire
Posts: 1,206
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mopar4U View Post
Kolak price is $360. Redhead is around $300 + core.

I think what im gonna do is disconnect the input/intermediate shaft from the box and try rotating the input shaft to see if there is slop. If there is slop can it be fixed by doing the preload and over the top adjustment?
I would recommend against adjusting the steering gear box in the vehicle.

GW

2 '98 4.0 ZJs
Hers is stock, mine, OME shocks, BB, Aussie, 2x6 sliders, 31s, etc.
GOLDWING is online now  
post #13 of 23 Old 09-17-2017, 03:41 PM
nicyousuckk
Registered User
1998 ZJ 
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: phoenix
Posts: 271
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mopar4U View Post
also wondering if there is any advantage of going to the durango steering box if i remain all stock?
Not really, I didn't mention it but all the boxes that have been on this ZJ have been Durango boxes. No need when you're running stock tires.

Quote:
Originally Posted by GOLDWING View Post
I would recommend against adjusting the steering gear box in the vehicle.

GW
Meh... it can be done. The bearing preload adjustment is much easier when the box is on the workbench, and the over-the-center adjustment should be made while the vehicle is drive-able. Toss up.
nicyousuckk is offline  
post #14 of 23 Old 09-17-2017, 05:47 PM
GOLDWING
Registered User
1998 ZJ 
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: eau claire
Posts: 1,206
Quote:
Originally Posted by nicyousuckk View Post
Not really, I didn't mention it but all the boxes that have been on this ZJ have been Durango boxes. No need when you're running stock tires.



Meh... it can be done. The bearing preload adjustment is much easier when the box is on the workbench, and the over-the-center adjustment should be made while the vehicle is drive-able. Toss up.
The FSM says pull it to adjust it. Keep in mind that the worm gear thrust must be adjusted first, and then the over center adjustment. I question how you can rotate an inch pound torque wrench on the shaft while the box is installed.

GW

2 '98 4.0 ZJs
Hers is stock, mine, OME shocks, BB, Aussie, 2x6 sliders, 31s, etc.
GOLDWING is online now  
post #15 of 23 Old 09-17-2017, 06:02 PM Thread Starter
Mopar4U
Registered User
1996 ZJ 
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Posts: 157
what usually wears that causes slop? worm gear? output shaft? bearings?

reason i ask is there are some really nice write ups and youtube videos on how to rebuild these. if neither of the shafts or housing is bad i see no issue in rebuilding one of these.
Mopar4U is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the JeepForum.com forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid e-mail address for yourself.



Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome