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Unread 01-24-2014, 01:07 PM   #1
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search isn't working, help w/ tv cable?

the search isn't working right now for some reason.. I used google instead and found a few things but not much. I just want someone to confirm this for me please! Sorry to make yet another thread but it's a little time constrained.

Just put on a new TV/Kickdown cable to replace my broken one this morning.. Shifting is WAYYYY off.. WAAAYYY too soon, soft and erratic. medium throttle, it's trying to shift into 2nd and even 3rd before fully disengaging the previous gear and doing it very slowly to boot, slipping out on occasion.
I need to pry that little white clip out and slide the cable lock out a small bit to fix this, correct? It felt like almost every bit of the slack was taken out of it but maybe that tiny bit of MOA is messing with it.. Also, is there a good way to lube up the cable after it's already installed? My skinny pedal is REALLY firm now. It's not binding up or anything but a LOT more firm than I'm used to. Or is this something that will just wear loose after a bit of driving?
Thank ya!

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Unread 01-24-2014, 01:12 PM   #2
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There is a youtube video on adjusting the cable.
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Unread 01-24-2014, 01:14 PM   #3
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I'm at work, I can't get on it unfortunately
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Unread 01-24-2014, 01:19 PM   #4
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From the fsm for a 95 w 42re:
CHECKING THROTTLE VALVE CABLE
ADJUSTMENT
(1) Turn ignition key to OFF position.
(2) Remove air cleaner.
(3) Verify that lever on throttle body is at curb idle
position. Then verify that transmission throttle lever
is also at idle (fully forward) position.
(4) Slide cable off attachment stud on throttle body
lever .
(5) Compare position of cable end to attachment
stud on throttle body lever :
(a) Cable end and attachment stud should be
aligned (or centered on one another) to within 1
mm (0.039 in.) in either direction.
(b) If cable end and attachment stud are misaligned
(off center), cable will have to be adjusted
as described in Throttle Valve Cable Adjustment
procedure.
(6) Reconnect cable end to attachment stud. Then
with aid of a helper, observe movement of transmission
throttle lever and lever on throttle body.
(a) If both levers move simultaneously from idle
to half-throttle and back to idle position, adjustment
is correct.
(b) If transmission throttle lever moves ahead of,
or lags behind throttle body lever, cable adjustment
will be necessary. Or, if throttle body lever prevents
transmission lever from returning to closed position,
cable adjustment will be necessary.

THROTTLE VALVE CABLE ADJUSTMENT
PROCEDURE
(1) Turn ignition switch to OFF position.
(2) Remove air cleaner if necessary.
(3) Disconnect cable end from attachment stud.
Carefully slide cable off stud. Do not pry or pull
cable off.
(4) Verify that transmission throttle lever is in
fully closed position. Then be sure lever on throttle
body is at curb idle position.
(5) Press cable lock button inward to release cable.
Lock button only has to move about 2 mm
(0.070 in.) to release cable in adjuster head.
(6) Center cable end on attachment stud to within
1 mm (0.039 in.) and release lock button.
(7) Check cable adjustment. Be sure transmission
throttle lever and lever on throttle body move simultaneously
as described in cable adjustment checking
procedure.
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Unread 01-24-2014, 01:23 PM   #5
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1995 would have a button to press in where the clip is on the later models. Does your replacement have a white clip or do you have a button there? Unhook the cable and release the clip. Take the slack out of the wire line but do not pull it. While holding the wire end that clips to the throttle body so the slack is out of the cable, take your other hand and grab the black cable past the housing where the clip/button is and push it forward until the part in your hand that clips the the TB lines up with the peg it clips to. Now let the wire line go while you are still holding the black cable behind the clip/button housing in place and reinstall the white clip. If you have a button just let the button go. Re attach the wire end to the TB. Done.

Sounds hard but it's easy. Takes a minute to do.
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Unread 01-24-2014, 01:23 PM   #6
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Take the clip off and adjust the cable until the clip is lined up within a millimeter of where it would be if it were clipped to the throttle linkage. In other words the hole in the clip with the slot in it that snaps over the stud on the throttle arm; that should line up with the surface of the arm where is would ride if connected. That's the factory spec. A lot of people start there and adjust it until it shifts how you would like. Usually that's tighter for firmer/later shifts. I think I saw that you don't want to go more than 3 mm away from stock but I can't verify that.

Mine has the other style adjuster so I can't help with that. No idea why your throttle is hard either. My TV cable is really smooth; just light resistance. Are you sure your throttle cable is okay? Mine just fell apart. The cable pulled through the sheath.
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Unread 01-24-2014, 01:37 PM   #7
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my original had the button, my replacement has that white clip thing. My work uniform is a white shirt so I can't be getting too dirty and I don't even want to drive back home tonight without fixing that.. So, pull the white clip out(carefully prying on outer flaps/locks to free it), wiggle the rest of the block outwards, away from the throttle body area, to pull the slack out, make it so it is as little slack as possible but zero tension on the cable with it idled(with that +/- 1mm bit included). replace white clip to lock it together. got it.

It was shifting perfectly fine till the old tv cable broke, and was tolerable with some slop when I wired the broken one together. Install the new one and drive it to work, oh boy, complete chaos. I'd say it's most certainly the new TV cable isn't adjusted properly. I rushed it as I was busy, tired and frustrated and didn't think to check the adjustment thoroughly. I figured the miniscule amount of slack matched the old one close enough to work, but apparently I was wrong. I think the old one was actually a little on the tight side and shifting was perfect, so I'll tighten it up and hopefully that works.

btw, is anyone else having problems with the search function?

edit; ive heard something about 2 to 3mm is tolerance too, depending on models
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Unread 01-24-2014, 01:42 PM   #8
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btw, is anyone else having problems with the search function?
Nope, just tried "tv cable" and it came back with a bunch of stuff with this thread at the top.
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Unread 01-24-2014, 01:43 PM   #9
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huh.. Maybe this PC is jacked up

Thanks everyone, I appreciate it!
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Unread 01-24-2014, 02:27 PM   #10
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You have used up your allotted search and new post allowances for the month..

I'm having trouble getting my TV cable adjusted properly after swapping in a 99 manifold and TB. I'v tried 50 different settings, and a search tells me I need to check that the cable is not pulling on the lever at transmission until throttle is applied. With all the weather we have had I just let it sit till I can get to it.

Here's your link to the youtube vid.

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Unread 01-24-2014, 02:51 PM   #11
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sweet, thanks mate! I'm sure I probably would've gone over the search allotment by now lol, I've been on a learning craze lately and have been all over the board on the searching. It's probably just this comp at work. I'm spoiled with my OC'd 3570k gaming rig at home lol

I'm assuming the stiffness in it, especially through the accellerator pedal, will loosen up a bit after the cable gets broken in a bit? Right now, it's not binding but feels like it would be if it gets any stiffer.. I'm assuming it's that stupid bend after going over the trans to get to the trans lever that's putting the friction on the cable. No lubes seem to either be recommended or will work with a sealed unit(what I have) so I'm stuck i guess.. Here's hoping!
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Unread 01-24-2014, 06:30 PM   #12
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i just adjust mine so it shifts into 2nd at what i feel is the right time with the right amount of throttle

this changes from season to season and with modifications also

just start where it takes too long to shift into 2nd and move it 1/2 a mm at a time until you are shifting into 2nd comfortably then you should be good in the rest of the gears too
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Unread 01-24-2014, 07:54 PM   #13
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got it, thanks! Right now, I'm just focused on getting it able to drive me back home, I'll deal with all the fine tuning over the weekend, try to see if I can squeeze a little better shifting out of the new cable vs the original one
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Unread 01-25-2014, 08:19 AM   #14
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XJ owner for two decades.. so I'm still unfamiliar with some aspects of the ZJ yet. So..

On the AW-4 in an XJ to swap this TV cable one has to drop the pan, and turn the cam to remove/install the cable end. Looks just like a bike brake cable.. is the TV on the 42re similar or can it be swapped without dropping the pan?

I'm wondering if I can just swap in an older ZJ/XJ type TV.. with the push button vs clip adjustment.
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Unread 01-25-2014, 08:39 AM   #15
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It's different. The end on the transmission is a ball in socket joint that just pops together. The only thing that gets removed for this process is maybe the air intake hose to confirm the throttle position, and the cable it's self

Sent from mobile, where errors are common and I'm too lazy to correct them.
Gearhead31 Hooah!
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