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Unread 04-24-2009, 03:44 PM   #1
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Putting 95+ doors on a 93/94

Well, as some may know, the 95-98 ZJ's had awesome plug and play doors... 4 bolts and you just unplug the door from the Jeep. Easy!

Well, the 93/94 doesn't... or at least it's very different.

I picked up a 97 full power door to put on my 93 (which also is full power).

All the wires, of course, are different colors.

Does anyone have a wiring diagram of both the 93/94 and 95+ for the doors?

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Unread 04-25-2009, 09:12 PM   #2
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It's not that simple...

It MAY work if it's a rear door, but the front doors can't simply be adapted, electrically.

Basically, in '93 to '95, all the electrical accessories were hard-wired. That is, the switches operated the accessories directly, or through a relay.

In '96, they changed the electrical architecture completely. The 2 front doors have computer modules that are built into the switches. The computers operate the accessories, and they communicate with each other and with the Body controller and other modules, and responsibilities are divided up among the modules. You can't just bring over one or some, you'd have to bring them all.
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Unread 04-26-2009, 07:10 AM   #3
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So... are the lock solenoid and window motor the same connector? Like, can I pull the whole harness out of the 97 door and just wire my 93 harness into it?
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Unread 05-07-2009, 07:51 PM   #4
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Unread 05-07-2009, 09:23 PM   #5
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The doors on my 93 are plug and play doors, theyhave 4 bolts holding them on and the wire plug with the torq bolt holding in on. It took me like 5 mins to remove the door for the first time. You should be able to just switch wire harness I would think.
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Unread 05-08-2009, 07:16 AM   #6
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So... are the lock solenoid and window motor the same connector? Like, can I pull the whole harness out of the 97 door and just wire my 93 harness into it?

I don't know what you're trying to accomplish... I don't know if the lock and window motors have the same connectors as earlier years. Probably. But if you have to swap in your old wiring harness, trim panel, and switches, what's the point?
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Unread 05-08-2009, 07:59 AM   #7
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What's the point? My door is rotted apart so I bought a new one. Paid $100 for a complete door off a 97 and would like to use it.
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Unread 05-08-2009, 09:31 AM   #8
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Ah, that explains it. It sounded, from the original post, that you just wanted to "upgrade" to later doors. A lot of people ask if it's possible to swap the door panels, so I wasn't sure which direction you were heading.

So, again, I'm not really certain if the plugs are the same, but you'd have to strip the door down to take out the wiring harness, so at that point, it wouldn't be much more work to take out the window and lock motors, too, if you need to.

In checking some parts sources, they list window motors as fitting 93 to 98, so they should be plug and play, but for door latches, they list one for 93, one for 94-95, and one for 97. Not sure if the plug would be different or not.
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Unread 05-08-2009, 09:33 AM   #9
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Ok cool. The window assembly was the one thing I didn't want to mess with. Locks aren't too bad.
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Unread 05-08-2009, 11:06 AM   #10
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Once you get the swap done let us know what it took to do. All four of my doors and my hatch are getting pretty rusty and I am going to need to get them replaced. If it isn't too hard gives me a better range of options when looking for doors.
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Unread 05-08-2009, 12:02 PM   #11
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It's not that simple...

It MAY work if it's a rear door, but the front doors can't simply be adapted, electrically.

Basically, in '93 to '95, all the electrical accessories were hard-wired. That is, the switches operated the accessories directly, or through a relay.

In '96, they changed the electrical architecture completely. The 2 front doors have computer modules that are built into the switches. The computers operate the accessories, and they communicate with each other and with the Body controller and other modules, and responsibilities are divided up among the modules. You can't just bring over one or some, you'd have to bring them all.
I'm going to back up this statement. All of the switches and such are different and you would need the body wiring and such, basically you would need to completely upgrade to an OBDII set up.

I haven't noticed a difference between door lock actuators and power window motors, My bet is that they are the same plugs. But let us know what you find!!!
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