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post #1 of 15 Old 03-17-2003, 10:43 PM Thread Starter
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OK cv joints or the tcase

At first I thought it was the tcase(only happening when I drove it for awhile) but now in the morning straight out the driveway it starts its crap. I looked at the cv joints and both boots are cracked. I was thinking that if one or both cv joints broke, it might act the same(only clicking and acting ****ty when turning). Due to the fact that the back was still pushing the the front and the cv joints and the wheels were turning out of sync cause them to act the way they do.
So my ? is do you guys think that it could be my cv joints/ tcase or both?
I picked up 2 cv's for $100 so my next ? is how long of an install would it be?
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You can do both Cv's in about 45 min. The only problem I had
was the axle bolt . Make sure you have the right socket.
1 3/8 i think .. Check it out beforehand and make sure you have
it. You take off the tires you take off the axle bolt then the brakes.
(I used the brakes to hold the axle still with a helper) then
three bolts (maybe 4 ) on the back of the axle hub.. and the whole
assembly slides out..
If it sounds easy its because it is..
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You can do both Cv's in about 45 min. The only problem I had
was the axle bolt . Make sure you have the right socket.
1 3/8 i think .. Check it out beforehand and make sure you have
it. You take off the tires you take off the axle bolt then the brakes.
(I used the brakes to hold the axle still with a helper) then
three bolts (maybe 4 ) on the back of the axle hub.. and the whole
assembly slides out..
If it sounds easy its because it is..
Good luck..
so do you think that it is the cv's?
I think I might do them this weekend..thanxz for the heads up

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IF you already have them and the boots on yours are torn
change them .. What could it hurt.. It is most likely you cvs
the vicious coupling makes a different kind of noise than
the clicking associated with cvs..

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How much are the cv jionts?

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Pep boys has them for 89 each with a $45 core charge.
Something like that .. They were the only ones in town who
had the spicer units in stock.
Call around its worth it not to hear that damn clicking in every turn
and when I was wheeling I was so scared something might brake
it was not even fun to mud ride..

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What exactly is the problem? Need a better discription. Are you wheels chirping? Is the clicking? Any Vibs? If you can get more indepth with the sypmptons I can help identify it a bit better. No point blowing 180.00 on something that might not be the problem.
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ok there are the symptoms<sp>
clicking when cool then when driving cross town it starts binding when I turn. Sounds like something is grinding when this happens. It bucks alittle when its warm.
I also have the 2 jionts and I got them for 100 for the pair

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OK first off I'm going to assume you have the full time 4 WD Transfer case (249).So just to make sure I do understand this that when it is cold you can turn sharply without it binding but when it warms up you experience binding and some tire chirping. Like all 4 tires are moving and gripping the pavement. Is that Correct? Now you also said there was some clicking. I'm starting to think you may have 2 issues instead of just one. The clicking sounds like you CV joints going bad or in need of repacking. BTW 2 for 100.00 is a great buy. When the grease wears down you will experience some clicking when you trun. There should be no doubt that the sounds come from the front of the vehicle. Seeing you have the two shafts you might as well replace them. Now on to the binding thing. If you have the 249 Tcase(Full time 4WD) this contains a little part called the Viscous coupling. VC for short. Now the VC's job is to detect slipage in the wheels and engage the 4WD system. After a while when the VC wears down and needs repacing it will engage when it becomes warm causing it to think that the tires are slipping and grab the front driveshaft. When it does this it forces the front wheels to work (4WD) and they therfore grab the pavement which makes your wheels bind. Now a way you can test this out is by removeing your front Driveshaft and drive around for a bit. Let the VC warm up and see if it binds when you turn. If I am correct you should not detect any binding. If it is the VC that has taken a vacation you can either replace the VC which can be costly or look at picking up a New transfercase.
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OK first off I'm going to assume you have the full time 4 WD Transfer case (249).So just to make sure I do understand this that when it is cold you can turn sharply without it binding but when it warms up you experience binding and some tire chirping. Like all 4 tires are moving and gripping the pavement. Is that Correct? Now you also said there was some clicking. I'm starting to think you may have 2 issues instead of just one. The clicking sounds like you CV joints going bad or in need of repacking. BTW 2 for 100.00 is a great buy. When the grease wears down you will experience some clicking when you trun. There should be no doubt that the sounds come from the front of the vehicle. Seeing you have the two shafts you might as well replace them. Now on to the binding thing. If you have the 249 Tcase(Full time 4WD) this contains a little part called the Viscous coupling. VC for short. Now the VC's job is to detect slipage in the wheels and engage the 4WD system. After a while when the VC wears down and needs repacing it will engage when it becomes warm causing it to think that the tires are slipping and grab the front driveshaft. When it does this it forces the front wheels to work (4WD) and they therfore grab the pavement which makes your wheels bind. Now a way you can test this out is by removeing your front Driveshaft and drive around for a bit. Let the VC warm up and see if it binds when you turn. If I am correct you should not detect any binding. If it is the VC that has taken a vacation you can either replace the VC which can be costly or look at picking up a New transfercase.
Hope that helps.
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Yeah that helps alot...
I was hoping that ikt wasnt both at the same time. BTW I do have a 249. I thought at first it was just the vc. But when it started to do it in the morning it got me thinking.
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ok took soem pics of the jeep today along with the cv's...

what it looks like

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That Cv looks shot no amount of grease will fix that..LOL
Change it and I dont know about the VC I personally want to
do a 242 swap. But that is something I have to save up for
Unless I can find a used 242 around here..
Cvs are easy , Good luck with the VC

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I was talking to my tcase and tranny guy and he said that a 242 will not just drop in. He said that the guy in ny takes the guts out of a 242 and puts them into a 249 case. I want to swap too, I am thinking about taking out a personal loan for that and a bike:shrug: I might just take it out for the 242. Yeah I got under the jeeo today and saw that and I was like holy sh*t. The drive side has no boot and the pass. side is leaking it like there is no tomorrow. oh well looks like I know what I am doing this weekend.

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With the new cvs in place(after 8 hours, dont ask) I hear no binding clicking or grinding. I was force to change them today do to the fact that the drive side was spitting ball bearings all over the road.

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