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04-22-2012, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by badbird17x
Straps have very little rubber band effect. Rope will act like a rubber band but are very dangerous unless you have great recovery points. I use straps simply for the safety. At least with a strap weakness is shown without people getting hurt.
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I can see your point.... i meant they have some give as opposed to say a winch cable or a chain
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04-22-2012, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by suthrnsoldier
I can see your point.... i meant they have some give as opposed to say a winch cable or a chain
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Definately. Chains destroy things lol. Straps are a great mix of absorbing shock without the safety issues. If you have solid overbuilt recovery points ropes work awesome, but again are dangerous.
We use an 80,000 lb rated rope to pull rail cars when we load them. It will hold back my 38,000 lb tractor with no problem but pulls over a million lbs with the brakes on slightly. Point of this is ratings are very misleading. You can pull a zj in neutral down the road with a 2000 lb strap, but I'd it's stuck I wouldn't hook up with anything under 20,000, and that's pushing it.
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04-22-2012, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by badbird17x
Definately. Chains destroy things lol. Straps are a great mix of absorbing shock without the safety issues. If you have solid overbuilt recovery points ropes work awesome, but again are dangerous.
We use an 80,000 lb rated rope to pull rail cars when we load them. It will hold back my 38,000 lb tractor with no problem but pulls over a million lbs with the brakes on slightly. Point of this is ratings are very misleading. You can pull a zj in neutral down the road with a 2000 lb strap, but I'd it's stuck I wouldn't hook up with anything under 20,000, and that's pushing it.
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haha... we just bring lots of straps... when one breaks, just put two on next time.... lol but then again im not pulling a freightliner out of a canyon or anything!
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3.5" lift ( spacers, coil springs, adj track bar, extended sway bar end links) ,33x11.50 super swampers, k&n intake, magnaflow exhaust and cat, true 2.5 in from cat back, Throttle body spacer, custom winch bumper
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04-22-2012, 11:05 AM
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I carry a 30,000 40ft. I can't break it and it has got me out of many bad spots, but it is only as strong as what it's hooked to.
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04-22-2012, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by badbird17x
I carry a 30,000 40ft. I can't break it and it has got me out of many bad spots, but it is only as strong as what it's hooked to.
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I feel ya there... i got a nice winch bumper off an old farm jeep and im catchin hell tryin to get it mounted on my ZJ... i got it on there and bolted and sandwiched to the frame and welded to the front crossmember thats attached to the frame but im not quite satisfied yet.... got my thinkin cap on for now...
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3.5" lift ( spacers, coil springs, adj track bar, extended sway bar end links) ,33x11.50 super swampers, k&n intake, magnaflow exhaust and cat, true 2.5 in from cat back, Throttle body spacer, custom winch bumper
Last edited by suthrnsoldier; 04-22-2012 at 11:37 AM..
Reason: spelling.... again
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04-22-2012, 11:46 AM
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Welding 1/2 bolts down the side of the frame to bolt it on is working incredibly well. I had to pull it sideways with a tractor once, pretty sure the front diff was going to get ripped out. It's tested and strong.
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04-22-2012, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by badbird17x
Welding 1/2 bolts down the side of the frame to bolt it on is working incredibly well. I had to pull it sideways with a tractor once, pretty sure the front diff was going to get ripped out. It's tested and strong.
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the sheet metal frame up front always scares me... wish they woulda just used a full boxed frame like every other solid vehicle......
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3.5" lift ( spacers, coil springs, adj track bar, extended sway bar end links) ,33x11.50 super swampers, k&n intake, magnaflow exhaust and cat, true 2.5 in from cat back, Throttle body spacer, custom winch bumper
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04-22-2012, 12:17 PM
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That's why I welded a good 10 inches on each. This way it has to rip 80 inches of flat iron, and I had it cranked up on the left side as there is some meat inside for the steering box mount. Frame is fully boxed, just made of pretty light stuff.
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04-22-2012, 09:41 PM
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Straps have an incredible amount of potential energy they can build before breaking. When a strap breaks in the middle, it will just fall, unlike a winch or chain. But if the strip holds and the recovery point breaks, you just made a missile with the kinetic energy greater than a rifle shot.
No matter what you are using for recovery, use a line weight/damper.
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04-22-2012, 09:49 PM
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Whenever I've had something break with a strap it drops because they do not stretch for crap, I assume this is why they are used for securing cargo when hauling. Nylon ropes on the other hand I can feel stretching like a rubber band. Ropes are more successful in the jerk pull catagory, until something breaks, then they are deadly.
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04-22-2012, 11:15 PM
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I've seen a strap whip a tow hook straight through a windshield. They do stretch quite a bit.
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04-22-2012, 11:38 PM
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What do you think rollcages and frames are put together, I'll give you a hint its not bolts. If its going to ever rip out its going to have to take the entire front assembly also. There is no way it will do that.
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http://www.genright.com/ProductInfo....ductid=GRC5500
http://www.jpmagazine.com/shop4parts...ges/index.html
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04-23-2012, 08:01 AM
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No action pics yet....maybe he's still stuck in a mud hole at oakridge because nobody would hook up to him 
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04-23-2012, 03:22 PM
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No action pics yet....maybe he's still stuck in a mud hole at oakridge because nobody would hook up to him |
Id hook up to him.. I really wanna see how it does..
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04-23-2012, 04:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by badbird17x
Straps have very little rubber band effect. Rope will act like a rubber band but are very dangerous unless you have great recovery points. I use straps simply for the safety. At least with a strap weakness is shown without people getting hurt.
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You are correct if you're indeed talking about 'tow straps'. As they're made for towing, not recovery use.
If you get a REAL 'recovery' strap, then they'll stretch a good bit. I have one and it works very well.
Check it out:
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Didn't read your post all the way lol, or didn't think about it. Rope=recovery strap, so nvm about what I said
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