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post #16 of 30 Old 05-12-2013, 10:38 AM Thread Starter
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Okay thanks for that, I've been driving it to and from work since Wednesday 7 miles each way... I'll get a ride from my dad till I fix it.

This morning I took it to my local firestone, a mechanic there said I was missing these open rings with holes on the ends on my ball joints. He told me they go on the bottom of the ball joint and hold it in place there so that it doesn't pop up?

They weren't on the ones that I pulled off of there so I assumed that they didn't go with it and I just put them to the side. Has anyone here replace ball joints and put these open rings on there?

Still holding on to the chance I didn't royally mess up my car...

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post #17 of 30 Old 05-12-2013, 10:42 AM
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By all means YES put those snap ring in place! I was wondering about those and almost mentioned it.
I did the ones on my daughters ford that had those snap rings but I didn't know about the jeep as I have not yet had the pleasure of doing them.
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post #18 of 30 Old 05-12-2013, 12:10 PM
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Modern jeeps do not use retaining rings and have no place to put them.
Those are for use with the old school d44's that had the joints pressed into the knuckle instead of the inner c's.

'97 zj 5.2, some stuff, some other suff, and some things that even work sometimes.

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post #19 of 30 Old 05-13-2013, 11:09 AM Thread Starter
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Okay so now I took it to another local mechanic and he said that he's never run into a problem like this, "Once those ball joints are in they should be in there to stay until you press them out again". He said most likely the ball joint that O'Riley's Auto Parts gave me were incorrect for my car and quoted me about 150 to remove and replace it with another ball joint that I get from O'Riley auto parts.

I'm going to go to O'Riley's and let them know my issue, hopefully they will allow me to return a part that is not fitting into my car. I'm going to spend the extra money and get a Moog brand ball joint, hopefully this resolves my issue.

I will update this post if it does for anyone else who has this problem in the future.
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post #20 of 30 Old 05-13-2013, 01:52 PM
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i've heard of maybe two ball joints that were out of spec like that through this forum over all. think they were moog too.

i've seen people post pictures exactly like yours of bad inner knuckles over a dozen times though.

'97 zj 5.2, some stuff, some other suff, and some things that even work sometimes.

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post #21 of 30 Old 05-13-2013, 02:42 PM
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Didn't Jeep use Spicer ball joints at the factory? I read many post about ball joints before replacing mine with the stock Spicer units. I figure I got 208,000 miles out of the original set why not just go back with those. I picked up two sets from Amazon of all places for 125.00 dollars shipped. Super easy install with the rented ball joint press from an Advance auto and saved a ton of cash over taking it to a dealer or shop. Always buy the best parts you can find for your jeep. The discount parts houses are not the best place to buy steering or suspension parts.. JMO


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post #22 of 30 Old 05-13-2013, 03:49 PM Thread Starter
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i've heard of maybe two ball joints that were out of spec like that through this forum over all. think they were moog too.

i've seen people post pictures exactly like yours of bad inner knuckles over a dozen times though.
So do you believe I need to replace the knuckle instead of the ball joint?

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Didn't Jeep use Spicer ball joints at the factory? I read many post about ball joints before replacing mine with the stock Spicer units. I figure I got 208,000 miles out of the original set why not just go back with those. I picked up two sets from Amazon of all places for 125.00 dollars shipped. Super easy install with the rented ball joint press from an Advance auto and saved a ton of cash over taking it to a dealer or shop. Always buy the best parts you can find for your jeep. The discount parts houses are not the best place to buy steering or suspension parts.. JMO


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I'll try to return it and ask for Spicer brand ball joints, I can't wait for shipping though because this car is my daily driver so I need it by the 15th of the month.
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post #23 of 30 Old 05-14-2013, 05:21 AM
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I believe you should try a different ball joint. But not moog. Moog are not known for their ball joints being very good at all for jeeps.

I think napa sources their top tier joints from Dana. But you'll pay close to three times as much locally as you will online for real spicer joints.

The new joint will tell the whole tale, I don't think you can buy over size body joints. The problem is rare enough that there's no market for it.

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post #24 of 30 Old 04-19-2015, 11:50 AM
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What was the final outcome to this??

My passenger side is doing the same thing.

I'm about to tack weld mine into place, being I have a D30 HP waiting to go in the D30 LP's place. I'm only weeks away from the swap, with new gears, axles, lockers, etc.

I'd still like to know if the upgraded or new ball joints did the trick and held in place.
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post #25 of 30 Old 04-19-2015, 12:03 PM Thread Starter
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Hey Johnny airtime. I have since sold the jeep and it been a long time since this post happened. But if I remember correctly the ball joint that was popping out was slightly different from the other ones that oreilley Auto parts gave me. I exchanged them put it on and all was well with the world. Later down the road my diff was making a noise because it went low on fluid after I changed a broken axle and diff fluid leaked out without me knowing, so I had the diff changed at Firestone and they said the ball joints weren't reusable for some reason? And they put new ones on and I returned the old ones to Firestone because they said they were defective for some reason. Supposedly they put snap rings on the new ones because they knew about my problem from before... But I took the tire off and checked, they were nowhere to be found. Sold the truck a little while after that.
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post #26 of 30 Old 04-19-2015, 07:30 PM
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Got'cha...
Thanks for the follow up!!!

... I took it upon myself and tack welded mine into place today just hours after posting. Seems yours and mine isn't the first to pop up like that. I've read about it in several forums now.

I thought mine was a problem because I took a hard hit to that right side when out wheelin'. I've got a long arm kit on 35"s and it was a slow hit (about 5-10mph) but stopped us good in our tracks. Couldn't find anything physically bent, but my steering wheel was off by a lot! I had to adjust my drag link by 3/4" or so to get it back to center. ...since that day, I also broke a sway-bar disconnect and have repaired it and replaced my steering box to a durango unit. Hence the reason I even noticed this issue... I was under there trying to figure out why my steering seemed to still be loose feeling. Also found a new (6 months old) 1ton tie rod end, problematic... replacing that this week too.

SO... once I tacked mine into place, it took care of the little negative camber I had (you could tell by simply looking at it down the side). I set my toe, and it drives tons better ... but, like I said... lots has changed on my front end in a matter of hours this weekend.

I find these forums very beneficial with information sharing. So, again... thanks for the feedback on your issue(s).

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Thank you all for your replies, I've realized I need to take it to an actual mechanic to fix this issue.

Just out of curiosity, what would happen if I just drove it this way? Tire breaks off?
Hey ...the simplest thing to do is not panic...go to a yard get a used knuckle...and press a new ball joint in...no need for anything else ...it is
up to you though...GO FOR IT ...get those 300K and hopefully more!!!!

GOOD LUCK

OOPS.....to late I see you tack welded it.....what ever gets it done for you man.....hope it works out
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Hey ...the simplest thing to do is not panic...go to a yard get a used knuckle...and press a new ball joint in...no need for anything else ...it is
up to you though...GO FOR IT ...get those 300K and hopefully more!!!!

GOOD LUCK
Curiosity is killing me... how do you get a "used knuckle" when the "C" is welded to the axle housing, and the ball joint fits into the C?

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post #29 of 30 Old 04-24-2015, 02:03 PM
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... I took it upon myself and tack welded mine into place today just hours after posting. Seems yours and mine isn't the first to pop up like that. I've read about it in several forums now.
That's exactly what we did to my XJ which had the same problem and 18 months on it is still fine

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post #30 of 30 Old 04-24-2015, 11:49 PM
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If my inner c ears get stretched I plan on using a center punch and working my way around the hole to shrink it. I've heard on here it works pretty well.
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