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Old 03-02-2009, 10:40 PM   #1
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Heep Pulls To The Right .....Before & After Alignment

About 2 weeks ago I was going through the drive-thru and as I was pulling around (with the wheels cut sharp) and slid really slow into a curb (about 2mph). Ever since then it has pulled to the right. To the best of my knowledge my caster is within spec for my lift. I was planning on getting upper adjustable CA's sometime in the near future to help out. Seems the left camber is a little off... I just installed a good steering box and a inverted T steering kit by the way ... but I had a pull to the right about 2 weeks before I installed anything after kissing the curb. The shop said that there was nothing they could do yadda, yadda it still pulled to the right. I am going to adjust the toe back out a little to about a shy 1/8". I have tried to switch tires around, checked the calipers,ball joints, made sure axles are square etc, etc ... What do you think it could be that makes the heep pull to the right even when aligned ? Running out of things to check. What specs are you guys at 4.5" ?





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Old 03-02-2009, 10:47 PM   #2
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i get that too since the day i bought it. did it pre lift, new tires and alignment. i think mine may be a sticking brake caliper as it was a pain to compress the front passenger last set of pads and it seemed to be worn more than the others but i dont know if it would cause it. this reminded me i need to check that.

but i would like to know some other possibilities as well.
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Old 03-02-2009, 11:07 PM   #3
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Thats the first thing I thought of as well. The Jeep rides great it just has a pull to the right.. I swapped the two front tires and it made no difference. I am hoping for the best. Axles are perfectly square in and out and side to side. Hmmm maybe a bad CV ?
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Old 03-02-2009, 11:25 PM   #4
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Mine Pulls to left after Alignment Stock height they even replaced track bar bushing

But i do have 2 tore up cv boots and possible warped rotors and unbalanced tires. one had a hole in it had to pump goo into it.

that 80mph Brake shimmy is fun ****.

mybe 1 tire out of balance idk caliper could be dragging slightly or a messed up CV axle so many things to check
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Old 03-03-2009, 01:55 PM   #5
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mine pulls to the left. I replaced my tires, changed my lift, got alignment numerous times, rotated my tires....STILL PULLS
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Old 03-03-2009, 02:12 PM   #6
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I had issues with mine up till this weekend past . 4 new ball joints and a new steering linkage (all parts except adjusters) , plus , I just got back from a test run after the KOR strg brace install , sweet little piece of engineering there .

Jeff , any play in the ball joints is a no no IMO , pry under the tire and make sure your looking at the joints , mine had just the slightest play on all 4 , just a hair , I couldn`t feel anything via the hand on the wheel while prying . As for ther steering , pinch the joints and look for excess play with channel locks , anything over 1/8 is out . Mine showed perfect on the 10-2 steering wheel inspection , quite different when I used the channel locks . Problem is , these things drive the wheel alignment out when they are loaded , and they can appear to have no play until so . Unfortunately , we can hang off the bottom of our jeeps while being driven . I got sick of inspecting , tired of the pulling and the wandering , when everything looked OK , so , everything is now new . Now , it drives like it should and I haven`t been to the alignment shop yet even .
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Old 03-03-2009, 02:27 PM   #7
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this is a total shot in the dark, but have you changed anything around weight wise? unevenly distributed weight will cause pulls. tires/wheels balanced (particularly the front passenger in question). After that I don't know other than the obvious which it sounds like you have already nailed.
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Old 03-03-2009, 06:11 PM   #8
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I had issues with mine up till this weekend past . 4 new ball joints and a new steering linkage (all parts except adjusters) , plus , I just got back from a test run after the KOR strg brace install , sweet little piece of engineering there .

Jeff , any play in the ball joints is a no no IMO , pry under the tire and make sure your looking at the joints , mine had just the slightest play on all 4 , just a hair , I couldn`t feel anything via the hand on the wheel while prying . As for ther steering , pinch the joints and look for excess play with channel locks , anything over 1/8 is out . Mine showed perfect on the 10-2 steering wheel inspection , quite different when I used the channel locks . Problem is , these things drive the wheel alignment out when they are loaded , and they can appear to have no play until so . Unfortunately , we can hang off the bottom of our jeeps while being driven . I got sick of inspecting , tired of the pulling and the wandering , when everything looked OK , so , everything is now new . Now , it drives like it should and I haven`t been to the alignment shop yet even .


With my new steering everything is as tight and yep used channel locks. There is very little roll with the tie rod but that is common for an inverted T setup. But I still had the same exact pull before. Guess I will scope out the ball joints again ...
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Old 03-03-2009, 06:41 PM   #9
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The caster should not affect anything until you turn the wheel. Have you tried swapping the rear tires? Something as simple as air pressure can give you a slight pull. You could also try taking a close look at your wheels, if one is bent a little so that it changes the position of the alignment machine mounted to it the alignment will be off.
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Old 03-03-2009, 07:23 PM   #10
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Ok.. Its very understandable to see that you have a pull to the right by the information on the charts.

You have Three main planes of alignment.

1.Caster - will pull in the direction of the most positive measurment
2.Camber - will pull in the direction of the most negative measurment
3.Toe - Does NOT cause a pull. it splits the difference between the wheels then causing your steering wheel to be off center.

So by that chart your camber and caster are both creating a pull to the right.

Your toe is pretty good. but that doesnt really affect a whole lot.

oh yeah and something else i learned in alignment school....

Set the toe, collect the dough, let'er go.! lol jks
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Ok.. Its very understandable to see that you have a pull to the right by the information on the charts.

You have Three main planes of alignment.

1.Caster - will pull in the direction of the most positive measurment
2.Camber - will pull in the direction of the most negative measurment
3.Toe - Does NOT cause a pull. it splits the difference between the wheels then causing your steering wheel to be off center.

So by that chart your camber and caster are both creating a pull to the right.

Your toe is pretty good. but that doesnt really affect a whole lot.

oh yeah and something else i learned in alignment school....

Set the toe, collect the dough, let'er go.! lol jks
I guess i'm missing something, but I don't see how caster could cause a pull when the wheels are relatively strait....you can't even measure it without turning the wheel

I always thought that toe would cause a pull
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Old 03-05-2009, 02:17 AM   #12
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give me a wrench, two j's... a cup of milk , pb&j . two hours, a radio and it will never pull again.

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Old 03-05-2009, 07:40 PM   #13
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I fixed the problem. I tried the back drivers tire after pulling my hair out for two days and now it drivers straight as an arrow. It must be from the 12.5" wide tires that were wearing funny..... unreal. What psi are you guys having luck with BFG A/T ? Never had a problem before. Man .... what a difference 1 tire can make. Now it really rides like a caddy.

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Old 03-05-2009, 10:15 PM   #14
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well, mine has been doing it forever. I replaced all my TRE, new tie rod drag link trackbar, got alignment several times. Its annoying. My camber is in the green when on the alignment machine...but my bj's could still be causing this? its the only thing left? I have adjusted me caster many times, still pulls the same
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Old 03-05-2009, 10:25 PM   #15
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I would throw the factory specs out the window as far as caster goes. I do know that the majority of the time caster just controls the steering wheel return on our setup. The BJ can definitely cause those issues. Mine were ok.... Just the whacked tire. It was pulling hard ! I thought for sure something significant was wrong.
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