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Unread 07-27-2011, 02:58 PM   #1
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Front wheel well Trimming

I just got my Atlas TC installed I need to get the front ds shortened, but need to decide axle position first. Here is my problem. I've just put 35" KM2s on with steel wheels that have a 4.5" BS. I should have gotten 3.75 BS, but 17" wheels w/5X4.5 BP and 3.75 BS are scarce. I tried 1 1/4" spacers, but they would require too much cutting and pounding to get it to work. I can get custom 3/4" spacers made which would get the BS down to 3.75". I would like to hear from someone that is running 35s on a ZJ with a 5-6" lift. Pictures of what you did to get the clearance would be great. I can lengthen the front Clayton arms to get the tire forward an inch, but that will mean cutting a "LOT" out of the wheel well in front of the tire.

I think the only other option is to get 7" springs and add another inch of bumpstop. I have added 5" to the stock bumpstop already. I would prefer not to go any higher than I am now.

Thanks for suggestions

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Unread 07-27-2011, 03:15 PM   #2
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Take a look here for a ZJ fender trimming guide. As far as pictures I do not have any yet but I will be doing Iron Rock Off Road's 5.5 front long arm kit but I'm doing there rear long arms as well with 35's.

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Unread 07-27-2011, 04:22 PM   #3
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Take a look here for a ZJ fender trimming guide. As far as pictures I do not have any yet but I will be doing Iron Rock Off Road's 5.5 front long arm kit but I'm doing there rear long arms as well with 35's.

Enjoy,

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Thanks. I've already trimmed the front fender similar to what this shows, but inside the fender well is where the real problem is. Everything is fine until you are flexed up and need to turn. The outer fender is not a problem. The problem is making room for that big 35" tire to turn inside the wheel well.
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Unread 07-27-2011, 07:43 PM   #4
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Need... more... COWBELL!! I mean lift. Lolz.
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Unread 07-27-2011, 08:34 PM   #5
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Start cutting sheetmetal.

Talk to biggoofy, I'm sure he can give you tips on cutting LOTS and LOTS of sheetmetal aha
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Unread 07-28-2011, 08:46 AM   #6
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In the front fender there is a pinch seem. For that I cut every 1-1.5 inches and banged that flat with a mini sledge. For any other part that contacted the 35" tire on my buddy's ZJ we used a regular sledge and banged it back. It isn't much if you have the right amount of bump stops.

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Unread 07-28-2011, 04:29 PM   #7
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In the front fender there is a pinch seem. For that I cut every 1-1.5 inches and banged that flat with a mini sledge. For any other part that contacted the 35" tire on my buddy's ZJ we used a regular sledge and banged it back. It isn't much if you have the right amount of bump stops.

Have fun

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I've done all of what you mentioned, but I would need to move the axle forward and cut a bunch of metal out of the front of the well for the tire to clear when stuffed in a tight turn. What size of lift does your friend have and how much bumpstop is used? I'm thinking I will have to go to 7" springs and add another 1" of bumpstop unless I cut a lot out of the well. It seems that no one is running 35s on a 5.5" lift and doing serious rock crawling.
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97 TJ Juggy, 350 V8, 700R4, D60, 14 bolt, locked, 14" ORI Struts, 113" wb, 42" Pit Bulls, Stazworks beadlocks, F&R winches, caged, Anti-Rock, PSI full hyd steering,
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Unread 07-28-2011, 07:12 PM   #8
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perfect timing on this thread. ive been working on trimming things in my front wheel well for my 35s, im just not sure how crazy i can go on the trimming. what are you running for bumpstops?
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Unread 07-28-2011, 07:40 PM   #9
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perfect timing on this thread. ive been working on trimming things in my front wheel well for my 35s, im just not sure how crazy i can go on the trimming. what are you running for bumpstops?
I have a 2" extension to the stock BS plus three 1" hockey pucks bolted to the spring perch for a total of 5" additional.
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97 TJ Juggy, 350 V8, 700R4, D60, 14 bolt, locked, 14" ORI Struts, 113" wb, 42" Pit Bulls, Stazworks beadlocks, F&R winches, caged, Anti-Rock, PSI full hyd steering,
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Unread 07-28-2011, 07:51 PM   #10
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i just got done with the pinch seam and fender itself but im not sure how crazy i can go with trimming this
fender-fender.jpg  
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Unread 07-28-2011, 07:54 PM   #11
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heres a pic thats not cut off, i really want to trim in there but i dont know how structural it is
jlkj-lkj.jpg  
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Unread 07-28-2011, 08:16 PM   #12
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I think I'm going to move my front axle forward enough to clear the back of the well and see how much cutting is needed in the front as long as the coils aren't curved. I don't think there is much needed structual strength outside of the unibody. My front ARB bumper and the Clayton rail stiffeners take care of that. If that doesn't work, I'll have no choice but to go higher and add bumpstop.
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97 TJ Juggy, 350 V8, 700R4, D60, 14 bolt, locked, 14" ORI Struts, 113" wb, 42" Pit Bulls, Stazworks beadlocks, F&R winches, caged, Anti-Rock, PSI full hyd steering,
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Unread 07-28-2011, 09:11 PM   #13
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Take a look here.

http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=920130
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Unread 07-28-2011, 09:16 PM   #14
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from the looks of that thread i can trim that crap all the way down to the frame rail. sweet deal
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Unread 07-29-2011, 04:49 AM   #15
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That front bumper has no structure what so ever. Keep the center piece running between the two 'frame' rails. Everything else can go. What I did was left the front part, and cut everything that's in front of the tire on my brothers.







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