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Unread 06-25-2009, 09:35 AM   #16
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Sure, but the idea of the F>R swap is to get 4" of lift on a budget. Will I get some RE 3.5" springs for the rear when I go longarm? You bet. But for now the V8 UC springs are getting the job done, and have performed brilliantly offroad.

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Unread 06-25-2009, 11:08 AM   #17
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Ryan, thanks for confirming what I thought was the concern about spacers. In my opinion though, based on experience with 7 XJs and ZJs now, concern over the springs coming loose is unfounded for a budget lift ON THE FRONT. If you flex out a stock XJ or ZJ and then try to move a stock spring in a stock suspension (even with the shock removed), you'll find that the stock spring is still under a bit of compression. As I'm sure everyone knows, the LCAs are what limit droop. If you add a spacer, that effectively shortens the space available for the spring - you sometimes need a spring compressor to install them with the spacers, although they came out by hand! The spring actually ends up more secure when flexed than without the spacer! This is even true with swaybar discos, because it's the LCAs that limit droop.

Now, with the bent Rancho LCAs, or the offset RE LCAs etc., maybe there's enough droop to let the spring come loose. But for a budget lift, even with discos, you can wheel the snot out of the stock LCAs and the spring will never come loose, even when fully flexed out.

Don't do this in the rear though!! The bumpstop post is plenty long in the front, but no way in the rear! Besides, springs for the rear are cheaper than the spacers!

Would I prefer a long arm setup with all the bells and whistles? Yes!! Who wouldn't! But you can still safely "Wow!" the heck out of your Toyota (IFS) friends with a BB lift and a disconnected swaybar, as I've done with the same spacers for 15 years over 300,000kms in two trucks of my own.

As an aside, I noticed a post about 31s rubbing. Maybe some 31s are different, but my 31"s don't rub anywhere except deep up inside the wheelwells, and then only with the swaybar discoed. I've just lengthened my bumpstops to prevent that much compression (they're now 1" longer than stock). But nowhere do the tires hit the body. It's not the lift that determines contact or not, it's how much bumpstop you've got. 2", 3", 4" doesn't matter if you can still stuff the tire in enough to hit! Lengthen the bumpstop to suit (like the factory did with the UpCountry suspension), regardless of how you lift it.

Unfortunately, none of us have actually answered the OPs question that well. Are there any springs from other vehicles that will lift the front 3" without compromising safety or ride quality? I haven't found any yet.

(I'll get off my soapbox now!!)
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Unread 06-25-2009, 04:48 PM   #18
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Sure, but the idea of the F>R swap is to get 4" of lift on a budget. Will I get some RE 3.5" springs for the rear when I go longarm? You bet. But for now the V8 UC springs are getting the job done, and have performed brilliantly offroad.
Well, you aren't going to get 4" out of a F-R swap to begin with. If you got 4" then you didn't measure something right, you factored in your tires too, or your original springs were already sagging so the new springs made it seem like you netted more lift than you did.
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Unread 06-25-2009, 07:05 PM   #19
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I've tried three sets of springs in the rear of my ZJ:

V6 XJ front springs: maybe 2" of lift, and way too soft to keep. Wallowed horribly.
I6 ZJ front springs: slightly more than 3" and basically stock ride/handling. It has a slight rake to it with 3" spacers up front. Maybe my front springs have sagged as melloyello suggests?
V8 ZJ front springs: the stock shocks were almost maxed out on droop with the Jeep parked on flat pavement. If it's not a full 4", it's very close. Ride is harsher than stock and vibes with stock rear LCAs were bad. Others claim no vibes up to 4.5", but mine vibes at 3." If I had some heavy stuff in the back all the time, they would probably be perfect.

I never tried UpCountry springs, but I would be very surprised if they didn't give slightly more than 4" on an unloaded ZJ rear end.
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Unread 06-25-2009, 07:26 PM   #20
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I've got the IRO F>R swap w/ new fronts and using my I6 fronts in the rear.

I'm sitting at 4.5" front 3.5" rear. No real rubbing w/ 32's except when totally stuffed.

I like the stock I6 front springs in the rear. It's pretty soft and flexes really well.
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Unread 06-25-2009, 08:49 PM   #21
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Well, you aren't going to get 4" out of a F-R swap to begin with. If you got 4" then you didn't measure something right, you factored in your tires too, or your original springs were already sagging so the new springs made it seem like you netted more lift than you did.
Sorry to tell you, but I'm running V8 UC springs out back and they are the same, if not 1/2" higher than the RE 3.5s I have up front. And most people claim that the RE 3.5s are more like 4"...
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Unread 06-25-2009, 08:54 PM   #22
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I have V8 springs with low miles for sale for your rear swap....
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Unread 06-25-2009, 09:02 PM   #23
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I have V8 springs with low miles for sale for your rear swap....
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Unread 06-26-2009, 02:55 PM   #24
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Unread 06-26-2009, 03:46 PM   #25
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This thread is so full of fail. I wish people would stop trying to do big lifts with the bare minimum amount of money. Pay to play and do it right and well.
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Unread 06-26-2009, 04:39 PM   #26
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This thread is so full of fail. I wish people would stop trying to do big lifts with the bare minimum amount of money. Pay to play and do it right and well.
Since when is 3.4-4.5" a big lift?

I'm at 4.5f/3.5r for a total of like 700 bucks. Runs fine on the street and trail. No hokey spacers, etc.
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Unread 06-26-2009, 04:42 PM   #27
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Since the largest available is like ~7 inches. Its also the fact that a lot of people still think that lifting a ZJ can be done right for a couple hundred bucks.
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Unread 06-27-2009, 09:42 AM   #28
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Fraser Brown, what is "done right" to you may be something different to others. Are you saying that a college student just making ends meet should drive a Honda until he's made it big? That there are no in-betweens?

I'd argue that all of us use our vehicles differently, and we all have different needs. I know I don't need 7", although sometime's I wish I had it, and I respect those who have gone to the effort to get the fancy bits and make a superb vehicle even better.

I'd argue "done right" means safe, long lasting, and meeting the needs of the owner.
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Unread 07-31-2009, 08:30 PM   #29
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F-R swap is 100% safe IF you use longer shocks all around, front adjustable track bar, rear adjustable track bar or relocation bracket. Running stock track bars is not a good idea. There is also nothing wrong with a 2" BB In face my dad was one of the first people to ever use one. Timkin machine made them back in 1994. My dad had his 1993 ZJ and wanted a little more height. Timkin advertised them as a 2" front XJ lift along with a 2" shackle. My dad called them sand said hey how about i use them on my ZJ? They said HMMM no one has ever asked. He said well give 2 sets. They werent even poly like they are now. They were metal. Timkin asked that he call them and tell them how they worked. He did and they then started to advertise them for the ZJ. They were in his jeep from 1994-2005 when he sold it. Not one problem EVER.
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Unread 09-20-2009, 02:04 PM   #30
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Sorry to bring this tread back but if I buy this kit here and put my v8 upcountry springs in the rear I should have between 3.5 and 4 inches of lift. I also have 2"bb right now. So if i leave them on will i have between 5.5 and 6 inches of lift or should I get ride of the bb?

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